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Adelman or JVG

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by rockbox, Apr 11, 2009.

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Who do you like better as the coach of the Rockets?

  1. Adelman

    55.5%
  2. JVG

    44.5%
  1. Zboy

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    Why?? Rockets defense has been one of the best in the NBA even without Gundy and its not like it was the best defense under Gundy either.

    Adelman being a offense only coach, along the lines of Don Nelson, is a myth. His Portland team and Kings team were well balanced and could play offense as well as defense. He is trying to do the same with this Rockets team. No one with a straight face can say that Adelman has hurt Rockets defensively.

    If Gundy was still here, Juwon Howard would still be in the Rockets lineup and no way in hell would he have agreed to ship Rafer Alston out.

    If Gundy was still here, we would be seeing the ball dumped into Yao 200 times a game this season for an easy and predictable offense to prepare against. Gundy would have absolutely no clue as to how to run the offense any other way.

    Letting Gundy go was addition by lots and lots of subtraction.
     
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  2. KingCheetah

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    2005-06 -- 34 wins.
     
  3. ringin08

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    Did you even read my post or you just wanted someone to reply to in order to say what you wanted to say?
     
  4. Zboy

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    Yes I read your one liner.

    You said,

    And I asked you,

    Why do you want to get JVG to work on defense when Adelman is already keeping it one of the best in the NBA?? Gundy and Adelman working together on defense does not mean their team will be the best on defense.

    The rest of my post was for the thread subject at hand.
     
  5. Zboy

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  6. ringin08

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    Simple, because regardless of what stats might say, clearly from watching the games all year...and watching the team in the past under JVG, our defense is NOT as good as it was under JVG and Tom T. If you think otherwise, then we can end the conversation right there. We just don't agree on basketball.

    If you don't like JVG for other reasons, like his pitifull offense, then fine. But Boston didn't become what they are and Tom T. is just by accident there also. And again, if you don't realize the impact of the Celtic's D to their championship run last year, then we just don't agree on basketball concepts so no need to discuss it further.
     
  7. Alvin Choo

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    Why is alot of posters saying that JHoward will be starting?

    Chuck Hayes is the starter.

    And talks of Tmac being bad for the rox, is just laughable. Yes this season is a bad season for Tmac. With his injuries and surgeries and mental weakness. But is just this one season. Without Tmac last season or for the past few seasons for that matter, rox will never even be consider a title challenger every year.

    Looking at JVG style of coaching, scola will be as good if not better under RA, but there is no chance whatsoever for the likes of AB and Wafer.

    I like what RA is doing. Moyes bring the diamonds in the rough to the team, and RA help mold them to the players they are today.
     
  8. Air Langhi

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    If the rockets had lost jvg would be up.
     
  9. Zboy

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    Celtics defense was anchored by KG. We have no one with that kind of length and athleticism in the interior. Let's see how Tom T. stops the teams this year without KG, if he fails to recover 100%. Conversely, put KG in the middle on the Rockets team and I can guarantee you the best defense in the NBA with Adelman coaching.

    Rockets current defensive philosophy is not that different from what was done in the Gundy era.

    And I didn't even get into your faulty theory of just adding two coaches with two different school of thought and thinking it will add up. Tom T. or Gundy would be butting heads with Adelman because both are so obsessed with squeezing every ounce of energy on defense. Offense was an afterthought in Gundy's system. In fact it was used to chew up the shot clock and slow the game down for defensive purposes. Not exactly what Adelman's philosophy is. Adelman has done a great job of keeping the defense intact while trying to teach the players read and react offense.
     
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  10. DaRrEnZhAnG

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    Well, I never say Yao>Rox or sth. I said that because Yao is still the best effective player on this team. Wasting Yao's advantages by chucking the jump shot is really what the rox fans wanna get?

    Of course we can keep Rick for many years in the future. However, Yao is still our first choice for the time being. If we wanna build around Rick or Aron Brooks, why we dont trade Yao away since he still has good value. We can trade Yao for Miller or Hawes and filler who are much more fit for Rick's system than Yao. Why even bother if two seasons failed with Rick and yao? Why not change it? We probably wont have such solid players like Scola, Wafer and Landry, etc with such a low salary any more.

    Do you guys still remember how difficult for us to find a good PF these years?
    Do u still remember Swift, and how excited we were when we get him?
    No way we can get Scolandry for about 3 millions per year, not even in our dreamings.
    Flying Bowen is our only hope at that time...
     
  11. Tom Bombadillo

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    Rick Van Gundy ftw...
     
  12. LabMouse

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    Adelman, that is why the rockets hired him to replace JVG, our records also become better. What is your argument? Brooks and Lowry would be PGs under the JVG? No way, Rafer will still be here for as a team leader.
     
  13. Shaud

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    I don't know. I like them both. I feel like both of them get blamed way too much.

    JVG - Had a healthy T-mac and Yao except for one season, but the supporting cast wasn't as good as it is today.

    Rick - The supporting cast is better but he has yet to have an healthy T-mac and Yao together.

    I don't know and I don't care, I just hope Rick gets us deep in the playoffs this year.
     
  14. TheBigAristotle

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    Adelman's done one hell of a job with the in and out rotations we've had all year. I still love JVG's team discipline and no bull**** policy though. Perhaps we can infuse Adelman with JVG DNA?

    LOLOLOL.
     
  15. DaRrEnZhAnG

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    I still believe JVG can bring us a 60 winning season with the currect Houston Rockets 2008 or 2009.
     
  16. Yetti

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    Adelman & JVG both have coaching problems but Adelman has coached the Rockets Team to be more entertaining and that is what it is all about-
    Sports entertaining it's fans like you and me! :p
     
  17. legend215

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    The problem with that thinking is that you are over reaching by thinking that we would HAVE any of these players if JVG were coach.

    He and CD were completely satisfied with bringing in over the hill (and in some cases out of work) veterans while shipping any young talent out and drafting guys who they never intended on playing one minute for them
     
  18. waihh

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    I vote for JVG and by the look of the results, IMHO JVG won by scoring about 40%. It is a good number if you were against the current coach with a No. 3 seed to the playoffs.

    Whether Adelman is a great coach or not, his laid-back style is not for this team, NOT for a team with TMac, Yao, Artest. He is a better coach for guys like Brooks, Landry, Scola, Von, but at the end of the day the Rockets go only as far as TMac, Yao and Artest lead.
     
  19. BucMan55

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    Here it is.

    Are we looking for a coach for just a few years, then moving on to another one?? Or do we want one to be here for quite some time to bring some stability. IMO coaches are let go much too soon(same could have been said for JVG) and if owners want to get their teams going well, they will let the coach have some time to get his systems implemented.

    Sloan has been in Utah for a zillion years and they know what they are doing. Phil Jackson has been in LA off and on for a decade and they know what they want to do on offense. I hate seeing head coaches let go after 2 seasons.

    And in that regard, COACH>Players. Since theoretically the coach can and should outlast the players.

    So no, I dont give a crap about how Adelman may or may not be the best guy for Yao Ming. Because as far as I can tell with the other 11 guys on the roster, he IS the best thing for the Rockets.
     
  20. Mike Hunt

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    Adelman is a players coach. He has trusts in Brooks when things get tough and leaves him in there as a way for Brooks to learn in challenging times. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt. Adelman realizes that even though players do screw up, subbing players in and out is not always the best idea especially in a season where we have had so much success with these players.


    Adelman is much better at developing talent and giving them playing time.


    Adelman gets my vote
     

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