Addition by subtraction - which player should the Rockets most urgently get rid of?

I was fully ready to select KPJ, but including Nix makes it almost an automatic selection. Dude has no business getting NBA minutes as anything other than a 12th man off the bench in garbage time.

Unlike Nix, I still think KPJ has a future in this league as a sparkplug 6th man off the bench. If he's willing to accept that role as the Rockets find a new true PG to run the offense, and as long as he can continue to mature on and off the court, I'm fine with him staying in Houston. But I don't think a starting lineup with both Green and KPJ in it has a chance to seriously contend in this league, and Green has the far higher ceiling.

 

I like Sengun but I voted for him too just to get rid of the SOFs! I think if the SOFs are gone, the vibe around the team will be better.

ADDITION BY SUBTRACTION

 

What a bunch of nonsense from one of the faux "sengun fans".

If u like the dude u wouldn't want him gone regardless of how only fans/haters behaves. Always a bunch of folks that will say: "oh I like said player and then proceeds to sht on them".

I hate fakers like u more than the actual sengun only fans. At least they are honest on how they feel about a certain player.

 

Naw, it's the SOFs not Sengun. Sengun is a nice player and appears to be a good teammate too but the SOFs turn you off.

People can do or say what they want but when @AroundTheWorld make several post back to back to back targeting one particular Rocket's player I think its absurd!

NOBODY on our roster is an All-Star, a future HOFer....NOBODY! KPJ, Green, Sengun, Jabari all have major flaws and it stems from bad coaching. And like I said previously, I would not trade anybody, like they traded Wood last yr, or make any moves until we get a viable Head coach.

 

If the question is addition by subtraction, I think getting rid of KPJ does more for your team culture than punching down in terms of waiving Nix. Nix is the worst player on the team; I think that's consensus at this point. But you can always get really good really fast and hide Nix with the 15th roster spot no problemo. KPJ will be pouting all the way down on his way out of being the primary ballhandler for the team. Getting rid of him sends an immediate message to the rest of the team that talent alone is not enough to get you playing time. To the rest of the league and the entire NBA fanbase it would be a clarion call that a culture shift is coming. Having a "your turn, my turn" mentality when dealing with teammates who are hot, planting your flag as the starting PG without earning it, throwing your arms up at the refs because you didn't get a foul call while your teammates have to deal with a 5-on-4 fast break on the other end, just completely checking out of plays on offense when you don't get the ball...we won't put up with that bullshit anymore.

 

I dont hate KPJ but if my only option is for him to constantly be the teams point guard, then indeed hate grows. Oh how I just want people to be used in the roles that maximize their skills...

 

Imagine being dumb or mentally ill enough to think that cutting the best guard on the roster would make the team better....

Honestly you never see incredibly stupid takes like this in the wild, it's part of what makes this place fun.

 

At one point I would be right beside you but a different point of view helps me. You just describe our team mentor for the last three years, Gordon. The coaching has set the mentality of of our team. Think back Gordon and Silas both acted while the other condoned and rewards for years. This was the leadership of this team. Why wouldn’t a younger player mimic it. Silas let Wood act out then rewarded it. My goodness, Porter himself has been rewarded for his own mistakes. That’s all on the coach. Thinking Porter is action are original is naïve.
This all said with a new coach and new standards and Porter gets out of line THEN there is a problem. As of now Porter is doing what he had been taught.

 

51 vs 1.

Are you the one voter for Green lol?

 

I voted Tate. I'm not some mentally ill nutjob that wants to cut the best players from the team like nearly half of the people who voted are apparently.

 

I fixed it for you and no, I didn't vote for Green

 

Given the results of THIS poll, I'm not sure polls from this pool are all that valuable other than for comedy purposes.

All of this is just you seething and coping about a player you have a pathological hatred for playing incredibly well. Seriously kid, you really should talk to someone about your condition. It can't be healthy.

 

You may be right but you may also be underestimating what a good developmental coach can do with young players. If a coach can change the toxic culture and start turning these kids into legit team players at the NBA level, the current roster has enough raw talent to do well. If I had to pick one, I'd start with the coach before I started dumping talent.

BTW I choose KPJ. He has the talent but IMO but not the mental fortitude.

 

There are so many layers to this, it takes a more nuanced thought process than I realized.

When I saw “addition by subtraction”, my first thought was Jabari Smith. He is currently a su-replacement level player gobbling up the 2nd mont minutes on the team. If you were to replace him with Tari in the starting lineup, you improve the team without having to add anyone else, hence, addition by subtraction. But I still believe in Jabari and his upside, so I would not be getting rid of him as GM.

Daishen Nix is pretty easily the worst player on the team. Fortunately, he doesn’t cost much money, so he’s not regally holding us back in any way. He's played in a lot of games, but only about 15 minutes per. If we were to get rid of him, it probably means more Tyty, which isn’t really a major addition to the lineup. So I don’t see it as a move that needs to urgently happen.

I think I ultimately land on KPJ. Next year KPJ becomes the highest paid player on the team. He’s probably the 2nd or 3rd best player on the team, so his contract is not outrageous. But I do think we may have seen just about the best we are going to from him. I think he has value, but I think the Rockets may be walking a thin line with him, so I would try to use that salary to improve the team in other areas. I don’t really consider it urgent, but that would be my move.

 

Consider using this as your sign off on every post. This newfound self-awareness could be key to changing your reputation around here.

 

The way the poll is phrased, KPJ makes a lot more sense on this poll than Nix.

If the poll simply was "who is the worst player" then ya obviously Nix and obviously KPJ is no where close to the worst player on the team.

The issue is "opportunity cost". How much of a opportunity cost is there in ham fisting KPJ into a high usage pg for overall team development and especially development of other players that are more important to the future.


This is the biggest issue I have with the rebuild. You can't chose to have your cake and eat it. You can't start an experiment for a young player who never was seen as a pg to be a full time high usage pg while at the same time having 2-3 players who are more important in the long picture that also need development. You can't have both. If those 3 other players(Green, Sengun, Jabari) are more important to you than KPJ, then you god damn find a competent vet pg to help them develop. Instead you put those three in a worse position just to ham fist a project pg that at this point seems is going to fail.

So we wasted a lot of development just for KPJ to do scoot ball. That is what is frustrating. That is what should make Stone lose his job.

 

I've always been absolutely aware of how dumb most of the opinions that become popular around here are, that's nothing new. CF, especially the GARM, was always known to be a toxic cesspool of morons with occasional nuggets of gold thrown in the mix. It's why I didn't join till I did and why I didn't start interacting with the common folk here with any frequency till years later. The "monkeys throwing poo" aesthetic is good for a laugh sometimes...but c'mon, does anyone actually take any of that seriously?

It goes without saying that I've obviously never taken the average CF poster seriously and I never will. It has always been more comedy than quality basketball conversation in the GARM. There's certainly posters here I respect, depending on the topic, but that's a tiny minority in a sea of some of the least intelligent humans on the planet.