Addition by subtraction (Tmac Apologists need not click)

If we trade Mac for Marbury everything we've done up to now will be for nothing. We traded for Artest for nothing, we gave away Rudy Gay for nothing, we signed Mutombo for nothing. Why would we go backwards by getting rid of the only real chance we have to win a ring in the next couple seasons? I know he lacks heart and toughness and he may be as injury prone as anyone, but we can't just give up on him, or on this team.

 

This thread is pretty silly.

First of all, we aren't a better team without T-mac. He might not be leadership capable - but that doesn't mean we are better without him.

And there's no way we trade away T-mac. For who? And I guarantee you it won't make us a better team, it will KILL our title aspirations.

You can say you don't think we will win a title with this injury prone soft team, but one this is for certain - trade t-mac away, and we have no shot at the title.

Thankfully Rockets management knows this.

If you trade T-mac, you might as well trade Yao and Artest and start over. Rebuild. Because that's where we would be.

 

I'm not expecting Tracy to "come back", but nor do I think trading him will necessarily make us better.

If the Rockets find a trade that helps, go for it. But I've yet to see one out there that the other team would also agree to.

 

DD, you just described Marbury in a nutshell. I am done being an apologist for Mac and Rafer(they both SUCK), and I don't want to make it about Marbury, but if you replaced one with the other not only is it subtraction, it is murder by numbers...


I'll play though, what about Ben Gordon?

 

I look at it this way,perhaps some team might take him but he has a huge contract worth 20M plus and therefore the only realistic way to obtain him would by getting a huge expiration contract like Marbury's.

I doubt if a team like Portland for example which will save cap room by letting Lafrentz plus a filler like Bayless go will want a "cancer" who is hurt for 2 years on their teams either. A young team like Portland which is rebuilding quickly has no need for him. Miami would rather let Marion's contract expire than take McGrady and give him up plus fillers.


A Championship aspiring team like Cleveland won't send Wally plus around 9 M of contracts either because can ruin their chemistry. Someone brought up a potential hypothetical trade between the Lakers and the Rockets for Odom plus fillers for McGrady. I thought,it was possible a few weeks ago but Tracy has been deteriorating steadily since then making him unattractive for even a softy like Lamar.

New York as you have pointed out,could be different,but again will McGrady be able to fit in with their new running style and bring in eager spectators?
Even if management becomes a player for FA in 2009 the choices of getting a really good player is slim.

Kobe will undoubtedly re-sign with his team. Boozer most likely will stay in Utah( and is injured now to). Guys like Marion,Kidd,Andre Miller and Rasheed are good players but might not be enough to put Houston over the top.

AI might want to come to Houston,but I'm sure he will be looking for a 4-5 year contract. I would rather take a chance in trying to get a younger Bosh in 2010 than going after him.

 

my overall thoughts on mcgrady exactly. well said.

 

TMAC alston and hayes for marbury lee and richardson

Ming/Mutombo/Lee
Lee/Scola/Landry
Artest/Richardson
Battier/Barry
Marbury/Brooks

 

I would love to trade McGrady, but don't see any benefit in losing talent unless you go for a total rebuild (i.e. trading Yao, McGrady, Artest for lottery draft picks). I don't think anyone is ready to completely give up on team yet.

 

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oops, I accidentally clicked on this thread.

 

While I would encourage trading him, Les stated but only a couple weeks ago, that he is happy with Yao and T-mac. I don't think enough has changed in two weeks for him to change his mind, so while the idea is good, the chances of this happening haven't changed.

 

Think Astros...Rockets have a marketable duo in T-Mac and Yao that sells jerseys and brings fans to the games. They're advertised as championship caliber but reality says the ship has too many leaky holes to really compete.

 

I trust Les' words about as much as I do those of David Stern. 75% truth cloaked in 25% obfuscation.

 

I'm sure glad you are hear posting threads instead of being a GM of the Rockets or any other sports team.

 

I disagree with needing the cap room this season. While everyone else goes after LBJ, Wade, Amare, Bosh, ect.......we should throw the bank at Joe Johnson. He's the most underrated superstar in the league.

 

There is no point to trading the guy for cents on the dollar when his contract expires in 2 seasons. It makes no sense.

And for the final time... if we couldn't get out of the first round with a Tmac/Yao team (back when Tmac was 25 points per game Tmac), we aren't getting out of the first round with Yao and Artest.

We might as well wait it out, there isn't going to be some magical trade that will make us contenders. On the other hand... if Tmac can get his game back (which he has shown flashes of playing the way we think he should this season... so its possible), THAT makes us contenders.

 

Here is my .2 cents and I hope everyone open up their mind and take this into thought. Tmac is a DISTRACTION to this team right now. He is not playing up to his name and he is currently an off and on player where the team cannot rely on him anymore. Either you are injured or you're not. This guy is a half ass player at the moment. Even rick doesnt know what to do with him because there is no way our team can gel or find chemistry as they say it if this guy keeps playing the way he does. The team will not know their roles. If we are truly a contender, everyone on this team is appointed a role. Tmac is suppose to be our superstar that will carry us over the hump, but he is no where near that form. We know it, he knows it, and the team knows it. That just leaves us with nothing because we do not have a real plan to win the real contenders like the lakers/spurs/hornets who will have all their guns come playoff time and their players WILL know what to do in order to beat us. We need to get rid of the distraction now so that we have time to rebuild ourselves to a real team when the playoffs come. Yao and Ron are perfectly capable of leading this team. Tmac is not the same tmac of old so there is no way we can depend on this guy anymore. OPEN UP YOUR EYES PLEASE! Trade this guy NOW while we still can get some value for him. We can actually get some decent players in return and have ourselves a real team once again with a true identity like the analyst like to say it.

Something like Tmac/Shane for Redd/Jefferson.

That would be great.