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Addition by subtraction (Tmac Apologists need not click)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Dec 30, 2008.

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Would you consider trading Tmac now?

  1. Yes - it would be better for the team

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    58.1%
  2. No - He will come back once he gets right

    250 vote(s)
    41.9%
  1. rterry

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    I have wanted to trade T-Mac for the last 3 years. Alas, that window has passed. It has been discouraging to watch this team after my high expectations coming into the season, but there is really no upside to trading T-Mac for an expiring contract that will not play and there is no help out there that he will fetch for a longer term match.

    Keep T-Mac and try and get he and Artest as healthy as possible for the play-offs. If the big three is relatively healthy for the playoffs we will be a tough out. T-Mac still has game when healthy. Get Adelman to pull the trigger on handing over the pg duties to Brooks and we still have a chance.

    Trade T-Mac for nothing and you are basically punting the season, and for what? Having a bunch of money under the cap next year is just about the same as having an expiring T-Mac contract.

    Hang on to T-mac, hope for the best and trade him next year when he will fetch something or let it expire for the 2010 free agent class.
     
  2. crash5179

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    I agree with leebegiz,

    I would trade anyone on this team to improve the Rockets. Having said that I would never trade TMac for Starburry.

    I would want some talent and a pick plus cap relief.
     
  3. larsv8

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    Did you just post a poll suggesting we trade Tmac for Marbury, and then tell people who would vote no (apologists) to not vote. No offense, but this thread is dumb. Marbury?!?
     
  4. mig0s

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    I don't know about Marbury, but T-mac might be tradable for Hedo and J.J
     
  5. Big MAK

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    I'd trade him if the deal made sense. Dont trade him just to get rid of him.
     
  6. TBar

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    Thank you Dadakota

    Your threads always make me reflect and think about my position. I have been on the side to keep Tracy because we could not get anything for him or that albatross of a contract- but this is a viable solution.

    Marbury is no panacea ---but his expiring contract would give us flexibility and with this innovative GM -Morey - he could rebuild around Yao
     
  7. J.Will.Xu

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    Seeing as the performance and his act on and off court,I just don't see fit as he plays as a Rockets,it seems that he just doesn't wanna come out and play when he's feeling the knee,no matter who we're gunna take on,he just went to announce that he ain't gunna play just because of a bad flu influence?Damn.

    Actually I'm a die hard T-Mac fan,but I just got fed up with all he said in the interviews or on the radio.He wrote(maybe he wrote the blog himself) something on his blog saying like he was rehabbing well and wanna play hard on the court to get us goin' earlier into the season,then what?That man just couldn't hold up the end of his words.WTF?

    But as of now,we just can't find a good sub to trade him for,right?Marbury?No way we pursue him and trade T-Mac just for this chesty,chemistry killer man.
    For me,I would like to stick to him and wait a while to see if he gets better and go onto his promised land as he was like in the offseason.
     
  8. TBar

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    Thread is not dumb-allows us to cut bait and move on -would you rather go thru this pattern of Tracy being hurt and not being there for the team while his contract is a boat anchor......?????

    That being said - maybe Tracy McGrady is still a viable NBA star and we should wait for him to come back healthy----very expensive waiting
     
  9. Marsarinian

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    DD, if you're proposing to trade T-Mac for Marbury, you need not say more. Negative star thread. No way you get 2 stars for this BS.
     
  10. ibm

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    now that's a well-reasoned post.
     
  11. ibm

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    send him back to the magic? man, you're rude. :D
     
  12. Pocket Rockets

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    imo,

    i say we keep him ...regardless if we look back and he does end up being a cancer, he gives us the best chance with our current roster to get out of the 1st round. Thats all this team needs is some confidence and to have some of our young players play through playoff situations and gain experience.

    if we trade him we pretty much have another 2 years of unsatisfied results, because we won't nearly get enough in return.

    Ultimately he gives us the best chance as a component of our roster to get out of the 1st round. We've already had 50+ win seasons recently and the playoffs are what matters now.
     
  13. krosfyah

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    I bet they are kicking themselves for not trading TMac to Detroit last summer.

    I think you look at all options right now. If you can swing a deal that beats 10 cents on the dollar, you seriously consider it. Because at this pace, 10 cents on the dollar might be what it comes down to in the end if you hold onto him.

    Marbury trade is interesting because it clears up cap room to resign Artest next season. If you trade TMac, you GOTTA resign Artest next season.
     
  14. J-Tang

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    Why is everbody automatically asserting that we can't win a championship withuot TMac? Question: CAN we win one with him? I say no.

    Stephon Marbury is actually a very talented PG/SG. He is capable of dishing the ball and scoring at will. When given the right playing time and environment, he is Chauncey Billups.

    Contrac year + Motivation after Knicks banishment=Marbury with vengeance

    I would really hope the Rockets can get a guy like Harrington, Lee, Chandler, or Robinson back from the Knicks too. This would be a winning deal. Marbury and a few players from the Knicks will give us a better title shot than McGrady will.
     
  15. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Thanks to everyone who is legitimately discussing the topic.

    The point is not about Marbury per se, it is about whether Tmac has become a cancer on this team.

    A guy who the team can not depend on, whose personality has begun to permeate to the rest of the team, and they are now performing at his lackadasical level.

    Sometimes for the good of the whole, you have to take a loss, and maybe it is time to do that with Tmac.

    I hear the arguments about the team not winning anything without him but I think that depends on whom you get back for him....if you can get a Travis Outlaw, Bayless, and a pick or two for him, then you just might be better off THIS year.

    Some team might be willing to take on a couple of years of TMac potential, and give it a go, he has amazing skills, and is wonderful to watch when he is motivated and wants to play (seems to be when he has something to prove) but when he is unmotivated, he slacks, a lot....and it hurts the overall team.

    So, it is a quandry, and I am honestly on the fence, I hear NikeStrad, Rhester and others making well reasoned arguments about keeping him and just riding it out, and hoping he gets healthy/mentally engaged.

    But looking at it from my perspective as a business owner, how long do you wait? Especially when you see it effecting the rest of the team? I do not want a Marbury situation here in Houston, where a talented Malcontent basically hurts the team and the Rockets are saddled with an untradeable contract.

    And, there are so many teams vying for free agents in 2010 that it will be a crowded marketplace, maybe being the ONLY player in 2009 might be a better solution?

    DD
     
  16. emjohn

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    For all the trade scenarios: BE REALISTIC about the return you would receive between now and February. It absolutely would not be the golden package of "young up & comer, draft pick, and cap relief" - not happening, not possible.

    -McGrady is due $21M this year. That means someone needs to have no less than $17M to trade. No one's making a 5-for-1 midseason trade and signing deadbeats from the NBDL to refill the roster. That means you've got to bring in someone's bloated deal for Tracy's:
    Starbury $22M (expiring)
    Kidd $21M
    Jermaine O'Neal $21M
    Marion $17M
    Wallace $14.5M
    Raef LaFrentz $13M
    Wally Z $13M (expiring)
    Hughes $13M

    Maybe you get away with two players making a combined $17-$20M, but that's about the best you can hope for.

    Teams aren't giving you a pick AND cap relief, especially when you aren't sending them an all-star. Teams aren't sending you a young stud when you're sending them a washed up player.

    We might get financial relief if we swapped McGrady for an expiring like Marbury, but I'm not sure we could do much with it. Bear in mind that Les probably likes the idea of having massive cap room in 2010, which would mean no major salaries added on until then (possible exception with Ron).

    Evan
     
  17. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    We only have 14 players on the roster, so we could do a 2 for 1 deal....just saying.

    DD
     
  18. Tom Bombadillo

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    Ron Artest is already our leader..........Trade Tracy and cement it that way.......



    Calling Michael Redd!
     
  19. SamFisher

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    dadakota was it not earlier this month when you claimed that the rockets should trade artest because he was redundant of McGrady and that the Rockets should just assume that McGrady would be healthy the rest of the season and go with him?
     
  20. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Actually Sam what I said was that TMac, Artest and Battier were redundant pieces and the easier one to move was Artest.

    In fact, I said I would like to move McGrady but I didn't think we could get any value back for him.

    This is a bit different, it is not looking to get value back per se, but looking to get him off the team and the books this year, and allowing the team to move on, and be a player with Cap space in a year before everyone else.

    I still feel that you have 3 quality wing players fitting into 2 basic starters spots, though one seems to always be injured so they have not been getting in each others way regarding minutes.

    And it would be nice to fill an actuall hole....in need.....like a starting PG, or a PF with length that can shoot the 3 ball and stretch the D.

    Anyway, I hope that explains it.


    DD
     
    #120 DaDakota, Dec 31, 2008
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