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Addition by subtraction (Tmac Apologists need not click)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Dec 30, 2008.

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Would you consider trading Tmac now?

  1. Yes - it would be better for the team

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  2. No - He will come back once he gets right

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  1. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    IR does not exist and players past their 2nd year can not be sent to the NBDL.

    DD
     
  2. CHI

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    Iverson would be great on this team. You can't question Iverson's heart and passion for the game. He actually drives to the basket, gets to the line, and is a more efficient scorer than TMAC.

    He's also been out of the first round.
     
  3. Raven

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    The Rockets should not make a trade out of frustration. The fact Tracy's value is declining is a second good reason not to trade him. The worst thing would be to take on bad contracts and still fail to advance. The worst case scenario is that we have a huge expiring contract next season and should be major players in the 2010 free agent bonanza.
     
  4. blathersby

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    See, it's the game he lives and dies for. But practice? I'm talking about PRACTICE.

    Note: I do not ever want to see Allen Iverson on the Rockets. I do not like Allen Iverson nor have I ever (except for that one time I played as the Nuggets in 2k8 and beat my friend Tim by like 30).
     
  5. Rocket River

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    and who helped him out of the 1st round????

    DEKE!!!!

    REUNITE DEKE AND AI!!

    Rocket River
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  6. DaDakota

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    With Battier or Artest the Rockets win the game against Atlanta.

    Getting rid of Tmac is the right thing to do, addition by subtraction...and if you can get a decent player like Hinrich or Iverson, heck anyone...you do it.

    DD
     
  7. bulk

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    I say just let him rest, as long as he wants. The team is better without him now --- a lazy 'super star' just kills chemistry. I bet Ron and Yao are pretty pissed off.
     
  8. DaDakota

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    I agree, sit him....and if he says he is ready bring him off the bench until he proves he is going to:

    1. Move without the ball
    2. Play defense
    3. Attack the basket
    4. Give effort all over the floor

    If he sulks or doesn't do any of those...grab some pine bub.

    Either that or find some sucker to trade with....and get him out of Houston...

    DD
     
  9. DaDakota

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    Richard Justice article nails it.....why do other players play better without McGrady? "We feel wanted"

    Nail in coffin, ship his butt out......addition by subtraction, take out the talented malcontent and everyone gets better.

    Yep....good bye Grady...go kill another franchise with your drama, your lying about injuries, your faking effort, your bogus machismo....you are now officially in the way of the Rockets taking it to the next level.

    I hope someone in the Rocket's organization can see his behavior is killing the rest of the team.

    The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one...ship his butt out.

    DD
     
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  10. solid

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    Explain about the injured reserve. It may be called by a different name, but it must exist in some form. Didn't it used to be called by that name? When a player goes out for the season, doesn't the team get another spot on the roster?

    I remember now about the NBDL; I still like the idea though.
     
  11. Sherlock

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    I think we need a replay of last year. TMac didn't buy into Adelman's offense until the rest of the players started playing well with it, and then he tried to fit in, which worked well.

    I don't believe he's in good physical shape, not just from the injury and pain, but in rebuilding his muscles that atrophied. TMac needs to take a couple months off, and spend most of his time in the weight room, with a physical therapist, trainer and get his body balanced again. He also needs to get in mental shape with a therapist or life coach of some kind to get his head on straight. Let the team succeed without him.

    Then come back in a couple months well before the playoffs, work off the rust, and be ready to kick butt for the playoffs.

    Without TMac, we can still be in the playoff hunt, IMHO, and I think it's worth seeing if the Yao/McGrady experiment can work into this years playoffs. If not, then it's time to trade him for a better set of complimenting players to Yao and Ron.

    This is a wise course, even if you want to trade him. He won't have high trade value if he's damaged goods, and would be an extremely valuable trading chit if healthy.

    I think TMac genuinely wants to play well. I don't think he's a quitter. He IS discouraged, and has never been injured like this, and it IS affecting his play, which discourages him worse, affecting his play even more. Sometimes we forget that public figures are human.
     
  12. krosfyah

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    I'd go for Hinrich. Iverson is a career loser. He's a great individual talent but he's not a winner ...just like TMac. Iverson and Yao together is a bad combo. Plus Artest with AI is a powder keg waiting to happen.

    We clearly need to do something but we don't want to do something stupid.
     
  13. vcchlw

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    I think Morey doesn't have much choice. If Detriot is willing to accept TMac we HAVE to do it anyway. I think we would even take Marbury at this point if D'Antoni wants TMac. At least his contract expires one year earlier.
     
  14. tinman

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    I like Iverson, I think he plays with heart. I think he's a winner (MVP, NBA Finals). But I do agree he doesn't fit on this team. We are undersized enough.
    We need good shooters and athleticism.

    Look at Boston, with Rondo, KG, Ray Allen, Pierce. They have a shooter, a scorer, a low post guy, a PG who can get to the hole.
     
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    Long term, they will not.
     
  16. DaDakota

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    I don't know duvasa.....it allows Yao to step into a leadership position, it allows Scola to get more touches, and it allows players like Brooks to thrive.

    I think the team would be better off without him....depending on whom he brings in trade.

    I don't subscribe to the fallacy that the team has no chance in the playoffs without him....with him....we have seen the end...1st round exit...playoff choke....sorry, history repeats itself....

    Tmac quit on Toronto, he quit on Orlando and he has quit on Houston.....it is time for the organization to quit on him.

    DD
     
  17. blathersby

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    That may or may not be, but I don't want to see a trade where we get 25 cents on the dollar. T-Mac for Francis, Mobley, and Kato? That was NOT an equal trade. While I love Francis, the Rockets MOST decidedly "won" that one. I'd rather have T-Mac's money off the books than trade for a contract or two that doesn't expire by then.
     
  18. DaDakota

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    I agree Blathers...you either trade for Marbury/Iverson...a big expiring this year, or you find a team that is not competing now, that has young talent that wants to be a player in the 2010 sweepstakes...and you get their young players...

    DD
     
  19. Rocket River

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    You are aware that he took a NOT SO TALENTED Philly Team to the Finals right?

    Rocket River
     
  20. chrisyhy

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    Now we dont expect the champion for this season and it's probably impossible even with recovered-tmac.So we just wanna watch some nice games now and in playoffs.
    Trade tmac for sth still in use or sth expiring in 2009 which less people pay attention and still have some great guys expiring.
     

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