Addition by subtraction (Tmac Apologists need not click)

We aren't going to win without a healthy Tmac this season or next. We'd make the playoffs, but it would be another 1st round exit.

Tmac's contract has 2 more years on it. The smart thing to do is wait it out. If we flop in extraordinary fashion to end the season, we're still in position to move Tmac to try and retool. We could probably grab Deng or perhaps do a sign and trade for Gordon and whoever (Hinrich?) in Chicago. They might want to get under the cap for 2010 so they can grab a star to play with Rose.

The point is... we don't gain anything by trading Tmac now.

 

I agree with most of what is being said on this thread. Tracy is a problem. I mean we are talking about a player that has admitted to quiting on his team before and now needs to take games off? How are we ever going to be a coehisive unit if our starters are not in a lineup together.

Honestly, Artest is our Stud right now. He is sacrificing himself so that we keep getting wins to be in the playoff picture.

Tracy is a problem but how are you going to get rid of him? There are few teams that want to pay a player that kind of money who's nickname in the league is "Charmin". He also really has barely shown up in the playoffs. Yes he has one good game, but where are the other 6.

I would love to trade him, I just do not see another team taking him unless they want to clear cap space for 2010 and most of those teams have pretty much set themselves up already.

 

Only problem is of the players on that list, they are all going to want significant money and Im not sure they are worth the risk.

Boozer has been more injured this year then Tmac, plus it seems he is Miami bound.

Can Okur be our starting PF? He isnt going to start at center obviously, and his salary alone would be higher then Scola and Landry. Is it worth it?

We know Kobe isnt opting out to come here so forget him.

Do Bibby and Miller add enough to replace Tmac? Plus with their age is a long term deal worth it.

I dont know why, but I just dont think Iverson is right for this team. He didnt make Denver any better when he came, and they got much better once he left. Same argument for Crawford as well.

If you want Shawn Marion, why not trade Tmac for him straight up. No need to involve Marbury. I think Miami would at least be interested seeing as they know they will get nothing for him otherwise and Tmac only has one extra year.

Hedo might be okay, but again, Im not sure he is enough.

The names just are not big enough to use Tmac just to get cap space. If you can trade him for a big name who is struggling but on a longer deal then maybe. The other team gets cap room in 2010 and we basically assume we cant get anyone in 2010 and settle for the player. (Someone like Elton Brand, although Im not saying him in particular)

 

Come on. Tracy not showing up in the playoffs. Even his biggest critics here will admit he is a big time playoff performer. Just look at the stats. He is not the reason we lost any of the playoff series he has been in.

As for Artest, I love the guy. But if you look at the whole season, he has played more bad games then good games this year. He is not saving us. Yes, he has played huge in some wins, but just as bad in many losses. He has shot worse then 50 percent in 24 of the 29 games he has played so far.

As a matter of fact, Artest has gone for 20 or more points 7 time this year. In those games 6 times he shot less then 50 percent, and that includes the game he "won" for us against Utah. Like I said, I love how he plays but to say he is the reason we are in playoff position is unfair to what others have contributed to our record.

 

Guys like Andre Miller, AI, Jamal Crawford, Mike Bibby, Shawn Marion... IMO would be bad for our team. I'm not saying they are bad players, its just I would rather take the chance that Tmac makes a comeback this season than have any of those guys on my team.

Guys like Okur, Hedo and Kobe are going to resign with their teams.

If Tmac makes a comeback, then we have a shot at a title. If we make a trade, we don't (and we might not even have a shot the year after depending on who we end up signing).

And the thing is, if we wait till the offseason to deal Tmac if he doesn't pan out... We still have a shot at getting Boozer, Bibby, Crawford, AI, Miller in a sign and trade in the offseason.

 

I'm tempted to trade him because of his awful play as of late but we all know our record w/o him. I'm on the fence.

 

Cut bait. By getting rid of T-Mac you're getting rid of a guy who's decided he's only going to play one game out of every back to back. Trading him really is addition by subtraction.

 

He is? A big time playoff performer? NO Way!
That sounds good but it's simply not true. If your just looking at box scores you'd say "he had a great game", but if you watched the games you'd say Tracy did a disappearing act in the 4th. The 4th qrt. of playoff games is where real stars are made.

If your so called star, plays great for the first half and comes up M.I.A. with game on the line, would you call that a good game? even if he did have 30pts.

I wouldn't,
big time performers could be handcuffed for 3 qrts and comes up big in the fourth. Tracy just doesn't have the internal drive that real champions have. It's called knowing the game, that real champions have. Knowing the pace of the game, when your team needs a lift and how to give it to them. Tracy just doesn't have that.

I've been saying this since last year,
that Tracy Mcgrady is nothing more than fools gold, (Tracy "Fools Gold" Mcgrady).

If you have some thing that you believe is valuable but you can't get anything out of it or for it. Well right now we can't get anything out of it or for it. He's enough to give us hope, but at the end he just doesn't now how to win at that next level.

We should have traded him last year when his value was high instead of wasting all this time on him.

 

Joe Johnson?

 

DD, you're just trying to get 50,000 posts!

 

I am READY to take T-Mac's signed jersey down from my office wall. I remember being there at his welcoming rally and sitting through all the years of being sub-par.

At this point I am ready to trade him for a bag of peanuts. At the same time trading him now for the disease known as Marbury would be a bad move!

We need to let him heal and deal him in the offseason. We DEFINITELY need to sign Ron Artest. Yao is just not going to get traded and we need to live with that.

There are too many 2/3's out there to settle for Marbury at this stage.

 

amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

i agree....i happened to be in the background of a getty image photo taken at the game. it was pretty nice since he was about to dunk it while i was the only person standing in the background raising my hands. i was going to order the picture, blow it up and try to get it signed by Tmac. Now i'm thinking how pointless that would be.

 

I retract everything I've said in this thread. Trade him to the worst team in the league so he never tastes the playoffs again.

 

Sometimes it hurts to be right.