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Addition by subtraction (Tmac Apologists need not click)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Dec 30, 2008.

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Would you consider trading Tmac now?

  1. Yes - it would be better for the team

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  2. No - He will come back once he gets right

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    41.9%
  1. jedicro

    jedicro Member

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    And to people saying it's sad we had to get Mutombo, alls I can say is that the Spurs and Celtic's wanted him....
     
  2. BrooksBall

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    Those teams have strong foundations and are looking for upgrades to fill minor needs.

    Those teams already have legitimate backup center options. If their starting center goes down, they have at least one player that is capable of playing more than 30 mpg a night as a fill in.

    Those teams have won championships recently.

    Those teams aren't among the least efficient offenses in the league and don't have serious issues in their starting lineups.

    Those teams don't have a starting PG that is one of the worst shooters in the league season after season.

    Those teams' top paid player is able to stay on the court and doesn't have trouble scoring 10 points when the team needs the extra offense.

    Their go to scorers have the athleticism to drive to the basket when their outside shots aren't falling.

    Their top players play with consistency and visibly care about winning.

    The Rockets have far bigger needs to address than a 3rd string center. A backup center should be able to play more than 15 mpg if necessary.
     
  3. Ashes

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    Wait.

    Did you really just suggest to trade T-Mac for Marbury? Really?

    I'm literally dumbfounded right now.
     
  4. agentkirb87

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    Houston is the 10th most efficient offense in the league. You say a lot of true things. Having said that, I think this team can win a title. The Spurs won 4 titles with a future hall of famer and two borderline all stars and some vets. We have the star power to pull it off, its just Artest and McGrady are playing below their averages.

    If Brooks can learn to lead an offense, there's are starting PG.

    We'll need McGrady to go back to averaging 20-5-5 on 43% shooting at least.

    We'll need Artest to go back to averaging 18-5-3 shooting 45%.

    Our bench has always been pretty solid, so no problems there.

    Again... there really isn't anything that can be gained by trading Tmac, unless we catch a team wanting to get under the cap fast and willing to trade aging stars on long contracts to do so.

    Maybe something like Tmac for Vince Carter? Although VC is known to coast too. The Nets would do it because they get far under the cap during 2010 (although I don't think VCs contract is that much longer than Tmacs).

    Unless its a trade like that, its not worth it.
     
  5. ibm

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    blinebury is making something out of nothing. when you try to sign someone, sometimes the star players (aka yao and/or mcgrady) help the gm make sales calls. it's not the first time it has happened. and deke was half-joking, obviously.
     
  6. sammy

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    Exactly. Let's just hit the panic button and throw away the season :rolleyes: jeez
     
  7. jedicro

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    What we NEED is health. I'm not willing to shake the entire foundation of our team because of a couple missed games and a 21-11 record.

    Every team has rough stretches. Get over it.
     
  8. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Admittadly it is hard to replace 7 points and 10 assists.

    ;)

    DD
     
  9. jedicro

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    Cute.

    McGrady has more upside than almost any player in the league. He just needs to be healthy. I'm inclined to give him time. If you're not.....well I can honestly say I don't care.

    ;)
     
  10. agentkirb87

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    He doesn't average that... but even if that were the case the "potential" factor always is thrown in. Tmac could average 20-5-5 if he ever gets over this knee thing... and then he would be worth pretty much any player we could get back in a trade.

    Its all a question of if he ever gets over this injury completely. Some people say he will never get over it, but then again if you asked that question at the beginning of the season you would've heard the opposite answer.
     
  11. jedicro

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    Obviously. Several have said he's very unbiased. HE'S A WRITER! He's BIASED for a story. If he says, "oh well Tmac's hurt, see ya in a couple week's buddy!" do you think he'll get hits? Writers are sensationalists and people who soak in everthing they say are sheep.
     
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    Marbury?





    Marbury??
     
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    I don't know about that, but if he does, what is the likelihood that this "upside" is going to start appearing consistently?

    Personally, I don't think it matters whether Tmac's poor play is the result of age, a bad knee, or a new baby-mama. What does matter is that there's been no consistency from him this year at all - we don't know what we're going to get on any night. That's OK for a role player (or a rookie) but not for the $20 million centerpiece of the team. The Rockets simply cannot afford to have Tmac play (literally or effort-wise) only half of the games. That is why I think we should trade him for either a group of younger players (with real upside) or just do a salary dump. Tmac simply didn't work out here and it's time to admit it.

    In addition to shipping out Tmac, I think we need to release Adelman as well - his methods simply haven't worked with this team. We look just as discombobulated as we did the first month of last season - at some point, he should have realized his original offensive scheme didn't work for these players and thus moved on to Plan B. I have yet to see a Plan B - all I've seen is a severely less-disciplined Van Gundy-style offense. If that's what we're going to run, I'd rather have Van gundy back - at least we were a top 2 defensive team with him.
     
  15. Yao#1

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    Im not saying we will get any of the big names in 2010. But I agree that you are downplaying the benefits that Houston could offer.

    First of all it is a big city. Not on the media scale of a NY, LA or Boston, but its not like its Memphis.

    Second, with no state tax, salaries go a lot further in Texas then many other areas. It is crazy how much more a player like Bosh would take home if he played in Texas vs. Toronto due to taxes.

    Third, although Hou doesnt offer the endorsement benefit that LA or NY would, playing next to Yao Ming does. Case in point, Tracy is still a big time endorsement athlete and Hayes and Battier have shoe deals in China.

    Fourth, you say we may be rebuilding and are too old now. Thats the nice part about it. The Rox have no bad contracts (unless you want to call Yao or Tmac non max players). More importantly, they have a GM who has shown the ability to find talent and make moves. The roster could be entirely different by next year not to mention 2010.

    Lastly, I think people need to remember, Houston could come out with nothing in 2010. Yao can opt out (I doubt he will unless it is to resign with the Rox again) and although I know people keep saying it is Lebron and Bosh going to the Knicks, you think they wouldnt want the money that comes with Yao playing in the Garden. Yes he doesnt fit D'Antoni's system, but Im sure he wouldnt complain.
     
  16. Shaud

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    At this point in his career I don't think T-mac has more upside than almost any player in the league. He's clearly declining.
     
  17. solid

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    TMac is the oldest looking twenty-something year old man I have ever seen in my life; I think he surpasses Greg Oden. It is like he lived his whole life in under thirty years. I honestly think he will retire when his contract is up, maybe before.
     
  18. solid

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    I am in agreement with this one. Obviously, Adelman's record speaks for itself, he has been an excellent NBA coach, is skilled and knowledgeable. BUT, despite his winning record here, it appears that he is not the right fit for this group of players. His rotations are mysterious and often prove ineffective. The team looks consistently unprepared and unmotivated. Injuries, yes, BUT there is something more going on. The offense looks stagnant and defense has declined. Yes, I remember the 22 game win streak and it was wonderful, BUT, ultimately this team's underachieving and lazy ways fall at the feet of the head coach. It's not working.
     
  19. TraocyMcMingy

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    t-mac is a p*ssy. trade him for anything you can get. teammates and fans have been waiting on him for 11 yrs now, nothing will happen this year either thats good. hes a born loser. he just doesnt have the fire
     
  20. worzel gummidge

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    10th different starting lineup in 32 games. As players have said recently teammate/s have been pulling themselves out on gameday.
     

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