Academia Gone Wild: Identical Twins Separated for 35 Years by "Research" Group

Again, please explain the specific ethical issues of this case. I can't comment on the other Nazi expirement comparisons without seeing the articles in which they were made (link???), but I suspect that they're wrong, too.

No, I am not NewYorker. Nor, I assure you, am I playing any games. I am simply asking for real arguments.

 

I don't buy into that, they're already up for adoption and they don't know each other exists. how were their lives deprived of anything? I'm sure the majority of adopted kids have siblings. I'm sure that a lot of those probably have no idea if they do or not.

 

adoption is manipulating peoples lives for the sake of manipulating peoples lives. It is literally the sickest game of Russian Roulette out there.

 

You continue to ignore the obvious point that the adoption process necessarily involves "manipulating peoples' lives."

 

It's making the best of a bad situation. It isn't creating a situation whereby families get separated. It's dealing with that situation.

 

but not for the sake of doing so. not for the sake of doing it to see what happens if you do it.

the goal of adoption is to provide a loving home/family for children without one.

i, for one, am deeply offended that you would trivialize the glories of adoption in that way.

 

both of the twins seem to have gotten that

 

i have no doubt of that.

but were deprived from knowing their twin because someone wanted to see what would happen. i think that's beyond ridiculous.

 

A very tenuous distincition - it still exists and facilitates the thing you claim is hyper abhorrent on a regular basis on the whim of capricious chance.

 

Arent' most adopted kids barred from seeking records of their real parents until a certain time period?

 

Come on. I know you see the difference between a system which seeks to provide children with loving homes and a study that divides up twin syblings so they can study what happens.

 

I don't know.

 

(Max -- I googled the story and the first few links made the comparison -- I think -- in fairness -- that the twin's book makes the comparison first. Not sure how important it is to the discussion that there are ethical issues with a study like this...but I didn't think the parallel in terms of concept was that much of a stretch).

Yet you know who he is? He was long gone before you registered...

Your master has taught you well.

Look -- why are the results sealed until 2066? Why is it illegal to separate twin infants? Twins are not separated 'all the time' in an adoption. Certainly not today.

This is getting silly. I think I'm done with this thread.

In the spirit of the level of debate here...

I fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.

 

SF did acknowledge the difference. The point is that the distinction you are making isn't such a major one as to justify Holocaust comparisons. Do you really not see that?

 

you still really don't understand the context of my comparison. i've tried explaining it. i'm done trying.

 

Really? Check again.

 

if it's true that it's illegal to separate twin infants this discussion begins and ends right there.

 

Your comparison trivializes the suffering of millions of innocent people. If your interest wasn't to exploit the emotional weight of the Holocaust, you would not have made the comparison. I don't expect you to admit you were wrong, I just hope you will use more discression in the future before making such comparisons.