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Abu Dhabi tries to curtail oil and gas drilling in the US -- via Hollywood

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by bigtexxx, Dec 18, 2012.

  1. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Contributing Member

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    I've long stated that Hollywood movies have far too much power in influencing the American public's opinion on key issues (as well as the WORLD's opinion). Now the Middle East recognizes that, and is financing a movie aimed at swaying American opinions against fracking, which is responsible for the oil and gas boom in the US.

    Places like the Middle East and Canada are extremely concerned about what the oil and gas boom will do to their oil revenues -- and rightly so. The US is likely to become an oil and gas net exporter in the not so distant future, which has the Middle East extremely worried. So what do they do? Finance a star studded movie with limousine liberals such as Matt Damon and Josh Krasinski to convince everybody that fracking is bad.

    Fracking has been nothing short of an economic revolution in the US. Huge numbers of jobs in oil and gas, new chemicals plants being built, and manufacturing returning to the US. The Middle East has good reason to be concerned. Hopefully the American public sees through their bias...

    http://fuelfix.com/blog/2012/12/18/hollywood-tapping-into-fracking-fears/#5613-9

    ALBANY — In March 1979, a screen thriller called “The China Syndrome” opened. It starred Jane Fonda and Michael Douglas as TV journalists investigating corner-cutting as well as lethal forms of corporate skulduggery at a California nuclear power plant.

    Twelve days after the film debuted, a malfunction at the Three Mile Island nuclear plant in Pennsylvania caused a partial meltdown. The life-imitates-art moment helped the film become a hit.

    The new film “Promised Land” has the potential to tap into the same kind of environmental anxiety that now surrounds the natural gas drilling technique known as hydrofracking.

    The drama stars Matt Damon as an energy company “land man,” assigned to secure natural gas leases in a rural community fallen on hard times. The film’s trailer sketches the plot’s moral struggle: the good guy who discovers he’s been doing wrong; a love interest; big business pitted against desperate farmers.

    Nuclear power was one of the central environmental issues of the late 1970s; hydrofracking — in which drillers use pressurized water, sand and chemicals to crack gas out of shale — has taken that place in recent years. In New York State, it has eclipsed other environmental concerns as the Department of Environmental Conservation puts the finishing touches on the blueprint that will guide fracking if Gov. Andrew Cuomo approves it.

    Due to the polarized atmosphere, it’s no surprise that “Promised Land” — which is slated to open in New York City and Los Angeles before the end of December to qualify for Oscar consideration — became a part of the political narrative months before the first posters were hung.

    The film will open in Houston on January 4.

    On both sides, the opponents have lined up: Call it Big Drilling vs. Big Hollywood.

    “We’re actually very excited that it’s coming out,” said Julia Walsh of Frack Action, one of the leading groups opposing the technique.

    The drilling industry counters by describing the film as an ill-considered move by limousine liberals with no expertise in the practice — adding Damon and company to a list that already includes fracking opponents and film figures Robert Redford, Mark Ruffalo and Debra Winger.

    “This is Hollywood money,” said John Krohn of Energy In Depth, a trade group that represents the energy industry, including gas developers. Still, “It does have the ability to impact the debate,” he said.

    “Science, not scriptwriters, should be deciding the outcome in New York,” said Jim Smith, spokesman for the state Independent Oil and Gas Association, the leading group lobbying for fracking in New York.

    Others are taking the criticism farther — into a realm of conspiracy theory that wouldn’t be out of place in, well, a Matt Damon film like “The Bourne Identity.”

    Conservative talk show host Roger Hedgecock as well as pro-fracking Irish filmmaker Phelim McAleer have pointed out that “Promised Land” was financed by Image Nation Abu Dhabi, which is owned by the oil-rich United Arab Emirates. They imply that the U.A.E. may be propagandizing against energy development in the U.S. so it keeps buying foreign oil.

    “All of this suggests a direct financial interest on the U.A.E.’s part in slowing the development of America’s natural gas industry,” the conservative Heritage Foundation’s Lachlan Markay said in a recent blog entry on the topic.

    The U.A.E.-owned movie company, though, has backed plenty of films with no obvious connection to the energy industry, from the superflu drama “Contagion” to the Brendan Fraser family comedy “Furry Vengeance” — although that one concerned woodland animals pushing back against suburban development.

    Hydrofracking has already been the subject of several feature documentaries, starting with Josh Fox’s 2010 “Gasland,” a first-person tour of many states where fracking is currently allowed and that alleges the technique has caused environmental damage.

    Industry groups have attempted to poke holes in the credibility of “Gasland” — and funded a full-length rebuttal called “Truthland” — but Fox’s film nonetheless garnered an Oscar nomination. He’s currently at work on a sequel, which will likely include footage of the filmmaker being arrested at a congressional hearing held by the House Energy Committee. (One of those in attendance that day, Rep. Paul D. Tonko, D-Amsterdam, called the Republican chairman’s decision to have Fox hauled away “an overreach.”)

    McAleer, who made “No Evil Just Wrong” as a reply to Al Gore’s hit climate change analysis “An Inconvenient Truth,” is currently at work on “FrackNation,” which promoters say “will tell the (positive) truth” about drilling.

    As fiction, “Promised Land” won’t have to meet journalistic standards. And with a cast that includes Damon as well as John Krasinski of NBC’s “The Office” (who co-wrote the script), Hal Holbrook and Frances McDormand, the film will likely get more exposure, and could have a broader influence, than a documentary.

    Much of the film’s impact, though, will depend on how it does at the box office, says Robert Thompson of Syracuse University, a well-known observer of pop culture.

    “Is ‘Promised Land’ going to draw a political line, get people out on picket lines? Probably not — but it could give substance to this word that most people have known as a swear word on ‘Battlestar Galactica,’” said Thompson, referring to the SyFy channel miniseries set in a culture that uses “frack” in a non-energy-related sense.

    On the other hand, Thompson said, “Promised Land” could be a box office flop — a common fate for movies released during the busy holiday season.

    “It could open, nobody would talk about it and that would be the end of it,” he said.

    Moreover, most of those who are engaged in the fracking debate in New York have already chosen sides, says Travis Proulx, spokesman for Environmental Advocates, a leading fracking critic.

    “I don’t know that movies change minds,” he said.
     
  2. Northside Storm

    Northside Storm Contributing Member

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    Oh, science indeed.

    Not that the same industry experts would rely on the overwhelming scientific consensus on climate change, when they're not busy trying to bribe and cajole the few dolts that will sell science for greed trying to manufacture a consensus about the consensus (irony at its' finest).

    http://www.greenerideal.com/lifestyle/1217-leading-medical-experts-urge-obama-to-slow/

    A petition was sent to the White House signed by 107 of the top U.S. medical professionals, researchers, and scientists to stop fracking.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...nces-about-safety-of-fracking/article6142857/

    Myths and science cuts on both sides, but a few interesting insights.

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/coal-oil-gas/top-10-myths-about-natural-gas-drilling

    Buying time at best---bridge fuel for the inevitable future where cheap fossil fuels run low.
     
  3. Northside Storm

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    As for the conspiracy theory---Image Nation also bankrolled the following movies---

    Contagion
    The Double
    The Help
    Journey to Mecca

    You can see the general move towards highlighting America's weaknesses to disease and civil rights, as well as political drama. also, something Islam. yes, they are bent on taking over the world, one film at a time.

    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/s_hFTR6qyEo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    They drink your milkshake!
     
  4. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Contributing Member

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    Northside, what kind of a response was that? An incoherent one.

    Your links showed a bunch of tree huggers that "just want more studies" and then a claim that a scientific study may have been biased. That's hardly evidence condeming fracking.

    ...and as always I love your attempts to inject the absurd into your posts -- are they to deflect attention from your lack of knowledge on the topic at hand? I suspect so.
     
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  5. JuanValdez

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    So, does this movie allege that fracking causes environmental damage, or is it just a story about big oil companies exploiting their market power to acquire mineral rights for less than fair value?

    Either way, I don't really care if there's UAE money in it.
     
  6. Severe Rockets Fan

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    From the highlighted part I read it stated a "surface spill" caused the contamination correct? That sounds like a wellhead issue more than something directly related to the frac job, but I don't have all the info to really make a good call.

    I didn't realize how much environmental concern there was regarding frac jobs...it seems hard to believe so much more damage could be caused to the surrounding subsurface of the main holes drilled that could be a concern...at least anything much more than when a typical horizontal well is drilled. I'm going to start at Halliburton as a production enhancement engineer (acid/frac) this coming June...I'm glad I'll be a bit more educated on the subject after that time I could add something of more substance to the discussion...:eek:
     
  7. Northside Storm

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    Texxx, letting you in on a secret---the way science works is that people study materials, and then submit results. These results are then peer-reviewed and set forward to provide conclusions one way or another if validated.

    When one says one must rely on the science for a topic, then when one is usually scientifically inclined, they sit and look at the scientific literature (which you have not done at all in this thread, I must point out). Now far be it from me to suggest this, but when one of the more publicized scientific studies upholding fracking is shown not only to have serious scientific errors, but also a huge ethical conflict of interest, one wonders at the body of research that can be said to be initially supportive of fracking, especially with how the energy industry has shown a penchant for paying for science.

    This is especially since 107 leading experts on the topic have declared that the research is not enough.

    "Tree-huggers"---funny how so many scientists are so.

    Here's an economic rebuttal as well, might as well get that across.

    Before the United States embarks on a path towards what is at best a bridge fuel (even the most adamant advocates admit it will not merely prolong America's lease on cheap carbon fuels), it might be best to see if the costs outweigh the benefits before everyone goes all haywire, and that's not going to be done so long as the taint of non-credible science still stinks.

    As for the actual point you were trying to get across of a Hollywood conspiracy to brainwash the masses---I thought it was absurd, and not worth anything more than an absurdist response, especially considering your stance of money in politics.

    a) OOPSIE. scoreboard.

    b) You suddenly have a problem with Hollywood producing a vaguely political message hidden in holiday season that might get a few letters written to Congressmen, but you don't seem to have a problem with possibly foreign-funded SUPER PACS. that's delicious karma.
     
  8. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Contributing Member

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    ^

    more incoherence and blah blah blah

    There's an art to arguing something, Northside -- and if you can't summarize it succinctly, then you try to just throw everything you think might possibly related into a post, which results in an unconvincing mess. Ben Franklin put it nicely, "I would have written you a shorter note, had I had the time". Please consider those words

    And please post any scientific report that has hard evidence that fracking is dangerous. If you can't, then you can exit this thread.

    TIA
     
  9. Northside Storm

    Northside Storm Contributing Member

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    Okay.

    http://www.gao.gov/assets/650/647791.pdf

    http://www.umweltbundesamt.de/uba-i...rictions_on_hydraulic_fracturing_required.htm

    That was easy,

    Hey, just for the road---

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    Are you really this dumb?
     
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    Page 35 of aforementioned GAO report.

    http://www.gao.gov/assets/650/647791.pdf

    Is it also fairly easy to avoid breathing?

    "just buy a gas mask, kiddos."
     
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    ^

    hahahaha. You're really struggling

    your mouth and anus emit CO2 and methane, too, champ
     
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    Do I emit them at 230 times the rate of the next human?

    Or other nasty mixes? I'm flattered that you think I emit teratogens, though last time I checked, I didn't; but fracking did.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-03/hazardous-air-pollutants-detected-near-fracking-sites.html

    Again...

    Here's the actual peer-reviewed journal article.

    This paper was peer-reviewed and accepted for publication by Human and Ecological Risk Assessment: An International Journal (November 9, 2012).

    http://www.endocrinedisruption.com/chemicals.air.php

    Enjoy! I hope you are learning. Please keep the absurdist references to a minimum.
     
  16. BigBenito

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    Staying away from the political aspects - that movie trailer looks ****ing terrible.
     
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    Curious.

    Ah, more!

    it's easy to avoid though, just don't work for an economic miracle fracking company, I suppose.
     
  18. Mr. Clutch

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    If an energy company is making money, it's bad.
     
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    I drove through Pearsall, TX a couple years back. There was a frac blowout just outside town, the well was shooting water into the air like a geyser, and the town had a slight putrid smell. They had about 1 million or so gallons of water shoot out of the hole. That's a lot of stink water.
     
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    Only if it's by pursuing techniques with proven dangers amid a chorus of voices asking for an honest appraisal of costs and benefits.

    It's not as if the energy companies are starving either, 3 of the top ten companies in the world by market cap are energy companies. Most can afford to wait.
     

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