but FIBA quarter is 10min not 12....yeah but still 4 Over Time does sound a bit far fetched. i think the bigger question is, the other team is down 5pts with around 5sec left on the clock, why do they not foul him immediately instead of letting him knock down another 3 on them? still i like the passion shown by Lull, not likely for him to come over next year due to the lock out but perhaps 2012-2013 season??
Ricky Rubio is the eleventh worst rotation point guard in the Euroleague. The only rotation point guards in the Euroleague that he is better than are: Terrell McIntyre, Sergio Rodrigiez, Curtis Jerrells, D.J. Strawberry, J.R. Holden, Sarunas Jasikevicius, Pau Ribas, Mike Wilks, Milenko Tepic and Nick Calathes. Every single other rotation point guard in Euroleague is better player than Rubio is. ISergio Llull as the 10th best shooting guard in the Euroleague at the current time. 1. Juan Carlos Navarro 2. Keith Langford 3. Milos Teodosic 4. Igor Rakocevic 5. Drew Nicholas 6. Omer Onan 7. Yotam Halperin 8. Doron Perkins 9. Rimas Kaukenas 10. Sergio Llull No way in hell would any competent GM trade Llull for Rubio. Llull is a far better player than Rubio is.
I find this ranking positively RIOTOUS my friend. <iframe title="YouTube video player" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/U8krEyd_llM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Madrid needed to win by +7 points because they lost the previous game in Siena by 7. This is why the other team doesn't foul, and why Llull's basket is considered a game winner. Debatable, no way much better. I consider Goran already a good NBA player, possibly a top backup at his position. Here, he will improve with time like Lee did it, needs a period of adaptation. Won't lie you, I really like his qualities. -Teodosic can be playing SG, but he is a PURE PG. Like Kyle was it even playing next to Aaron.-
We have to wait a year for Llull to opt out, instead of a couple of seasons. Dragic is a cheap 1-season rental for a lockout season, at best. That's a far cry from being locked in for a couple years. You have a talent for exaggeration.
LOL -- I said they were locked in for the next couple years. Dragic's contract runs one more year, not two. I was off by one year. What a huuuge exaggeration! I should have looked up his contract situation before answering, you're right. But calling me out for exaggeration when I was off by a year? That's funny. I never mentioned how long we'd have to wait for Llull to opt out. I never said Llull was a bad basketball player. I never said Llull would never be a Rocket. I never said Morey hates bringing over international prospects. The only thing I ever said was that pugs had a point in saying that the odds are he won't be brought over. You can go look up the # of international guys we drafted vs. brought over if you want, but you know that the majority of them stay overseas -- which was pugs entire point. The only thing I have a talent for is winning. PS: In the post you quoted, I said the earliest Llull could come is the 2012-2013 season. Dragic's contract ends in 2011-2012. The next season is.. 2012-2013. Did I just blow your mind?
You said Morey hasn't brought any of them over. It was disproven with Scola and Andersen. You didn't say 2 years. You said "a couple" which can mean 2-4 years.
Are you really that dumb? I was being nice before, but now I'm just annoyed. First off, I quoted REEKO_HTOWN's post and said Morey has not brought any of them over. Who did he list in his post? Which one of those have we brought over? Please disprove what I said by showing that ANY of those players listed has come over. And a couple definitely means two. Several means 3+. I don't have time to explain everything.
LTF, I think Llull is a different story than the other players in REEKO's post. All of the other guys were taken LATE in the second round (although Eliyahu was mid-round), where you are just taking a shot in the dark on a guy who will likely never play for you. Llull, on the other hand, was taken VERY early in the second. When a foreign player is taken in the first 5-10 picks of the second round, it usually means that the team is looking to eventually bring him over and that the player is viewed as a likely NBA player (unlike in the late second round). Also, Morey didn't acquire the draft rights to Scola or Andersen until he KNEW that he wanted to bring them over immediately. My guess is that Llull eventually plays in the NBA, although not necessarily for the Rockets (since he is probably among the better trade assets that the team has). Even then, though, those odds are not overwhelmingly in favor of him coming over (maybe 60-40?).
Bima, I agree. On the last page, I mentioned at the end of one of my post: He's 23 right now and looks to be 25 at the start of the 2012-2013 season, which would be the earliest he'd come over for the Rockets. Of course, that's assuming that the Rockets let Dragic walk which I'm not entirely convinced of. I'm inclined to believe that he'll be used as a sweetener in a trade to help land us a player we want -- which is a lot different than saying he'll just be a toss-in to make it work under the CBA like Sergei Lishouk was. BTE -- I'm sorry for the harsh tone of my last post. I didn't even bring this topic up, I was just defending pugs' hunch -- and he could have very well not even been talking about the %s of overseas players who make the jump like I have been. But suddenly, you were trying to pigeonhole me into saying that Morey doesn't bring any overseas guys over/doesn't like bringing them over -- I was never saying that.
Llull is a better player than Dragic is. Dragic is basically the poor man's version of Llull. Teodosic is not a pure PG. He is a SG that has great handles and can bring the ball up the court. He plays point guard with his national team. In his entire career in Olympiacos he has played exclusivelyt at SG and that is with 2 different head coaches. His current head coach at Olympiacos is the same as his old national team coach and guess what? He plays him at SG. The only reason he even plays PG for his national team is because they don't have anyone else that can do it competently. Teodosic can. But under normal circumstances he always plays shooting guard, even under his national team coach Ivkovic, he plays SG with Olympiacos. So, Teodosic plays about 10 games a year at PG and about 60-70 games a year at SG. Granted, he can certainly play at PG and do it well, but he is much more of a SG. And he never defends at PG at any time, even if he is playing there on offense. He is never a PG on defense. He has all the point guard skills you want, but his basic offensive game is to jack up long distance 3 pointers. So that is why his club team, with 2 different coaches (Giannakis and Ivkovic) has always used him as a SG. He has great court vision and great passing ability, and is a good dribbler, but his ability to run an offense and to run the pick and roll is too limited to be a full time PG. So that is why the PG duties go to Papaloukas and Spanoulis. Plus, Teodosic is such a huge threat off the ball to shoot the 3 off guard penetration that it makes more sense to use him as a shooting guard. In Serbia's national team they don't have anyone to set him up, so he plays on the ball. So no, Teodosic is far from being anything resembling a "pure point guard". "Pure point guards" in Euroleague are guys like Pablo Prigioni, Omar Cook, Sergio Rodriguez, Roderick Blakney, Theo Papaloukas, Ricky Rubio, Victor Sada, Raul Lopez, Marcelo Huertas, Nikos Zisis. And even among that group which are the only ones that are pure point guards on offense, 2 of them are not really point guards in defense. Papaloukas can only guard the 2 or 3, and really just the 3 that effectively these days. Zisis can guard the 1,2,3 but really he is only good at guarding the 2. He does guard the 1, but he is too slow and should be guarding the 2 in reality. So there are like 10 pure point guards in offense in Euroleague and only 8 of them are good at guarding the one position. Teodosic is not a "pure point guard" by any stretch of the imagination. He is a SG-PG with excellent court vision and passing ability, and a good handle.
What is interesting is that if Lull ever does come over and make the Roster, Morey is betting on the 2009 draft. #2 Thabeet (Bench - but with minutes he can be defensive beast) #8 Hill (Role players - future starter? Hard worker I hear) #11 Williams (in dog house - talented but not hard worker) #24 Caroll (sniffing his first action with Rockets) #34 Lull (average player in Europe - but NBA type) #44 Budinger (Improving starter - averaging 17 points since he became starter) That would be half the Roster of guys drafted in 2009... lol. And it's coming to light that 2009 was a weak draft. Hopefully it's a good draft for role players. Too many question marks with everyone there, except that Budinger is proving he belongs in the NBA as a starter. Best guy right now is the guy drafted last amongst the bunch.
Let's set the record straight here. Lior Eliyahu is for sure a better talent than Llull is. Eliyahu is about a legit 6-10 and he is very athletic and he can really score in a variety of ways. He runs the floor exceptionally well and he has a huge wingspan. The only weaknesses he has are lack of an outside jump shot and his defense. But his scoring ability and his size and physical tools are very high. Top notch. And there really is not much difference at all between Newley and Llull. Llull is a much better ball handler but other than that there isn't much difference. Llull might be a little bit quicker with the ball, but I'm not even sure on that. Newley is really quick also and actually he is a superior defender by plenty to Llull. Both of them are natural shooting guards if you play them at their optimal position. Newley is a legit 6-6 and Llull is about 6-3 at most. Newley is very athletic and really fits the prototypical NBA wing style of play and physical tools. Fast, long, good size, very athletic, quick, finishes strong above the rim in traffic, etc. Llull is a better shooter off the dribble, but all in all there is not a dramatic difference there because Newley is a solid spot up shooter. Both can get to the basket off the dribble but without question Newley is a better dunker and finisher. Now, there is no doubt that Llull is a much better scorer than Newley is. They are different players, but there is not much difference at all, if any in the level of them. If you want a small shooting guard that can score in bunches and can spread the floor and is good in the open court but can't run an offense, lacks point guard skills, and is a bad defender - then Llull is your man. If you want a good defender with legit size and length at the 2 guard that is really athletic and can really run the floor and finish above the rim and can knock down an open jumper, but isn't much of a scorer - then Newley is your man. Brad Newley is very typical of an American run and jump athlete NBA style two guard. So, there is actually no difference in Llull from these other players. He is not as good as Eliyahu is and he is no better at all then Newley is.
I've been trying to convince my wife for years that we can add a hot chick or two and still be considered a couple. So far... She's not buying it. She always responds with something lame like, "Whatever. Yeah, that would set a great example for the kids." I'm like, "Example? Who gives a crap? Let's party!" She then responds by ignoring me for another week. Anyway... If you don't mind, I'm going to use your post as proof. Thanks.
We really need to have a separate forum for European League players who will never EVER be in the starting lineup of an NBA team.
