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About Rafer Alston...

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by SuperMarioBro, Feb 14, 2008.

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  1. blackbird

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    I knew someone will bring this up. Haven't I said many times that there is a huge logical flaw in this kind of crappy logic? In the following thread (my post#169 and post#84):

    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=141252&page=9

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  2. BMoney

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    Someone has a big opinion of themselves...
    Why should I remember who you are, or what you wrote?
     
  3. blackbird

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    It doesn't matter who I am. It does matter when you have a huge logical flaw in your statement. Right?

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  4. Cohen

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    And where was that proven?
     
  5. blackbird

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    That logical flaw is very very easy to be proven. I don't want to educate you here. If you don't believe it, just ask any professor in any university.

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  6. Drewdog

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    Wow. Where do I start? 2 words: Playoff Experience.

    51 playoff game appearances
    4 trips to the conference semi's
    1 trip to conference finals (lost in 7 games to Lakers)

    Playoff stats:
    PPG 17.9
    REB 3.6
    AST 5.6
    STL 1.5
    TO 2.37
    FG 41.8%
    3P 36.6%
    FT 83.6%

    Rafer's stats in the playoffs are ugly (only counting 03-04 with MIA and last year) - 20 total games.

    PPG 8.3
    REB 3.8
    AST 2.8
    STL 0.9
    TO 1.35
    FG 32.7%
    3P 27.4%
    FT 77.5%

    If you are trying to assemble a team for a deep playoff run, Mike Bibby would be an excellent addition to the roster.
     
  7. Carl Herrera

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    Why is it that whenever you run out of thing to support what you are saying, you put up the words "logical flaw" in bold font and then refuse to explain what it is?

    Are you trying to convince people into thinking you are not r****ded just because you use that term?
     
  8. WNBA

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    please name me one offensive team that won a single game since the earth was formed that they did not play any kind of adjusting defense?
     
  9. Cohen

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    Like this is really a unique thread for Rafer haters?


    I find it incredibly annoying that the team overall, but this player in particular get's little to no credit for their accomplishments by too many here. Even when these accomplishments have now occured over an extended period.
     
  10. blackbird

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    I did prove that there is huge logical flaw in that kind of crappy logic in my post #169 and post #84 in the following thread. You just can't understand it. What can I do for you? Do you want me to open a logic course here?

    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=141252&page=9

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  11. Cohen

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    Why should we do that when us plebs have you here to enlighten us?

    You made it clear you don't want to, but please share your knowledge. And we all promise to strive to comprehend you.
     
  12. ShadyMcGrady

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    See - Matt Harpring + any second man

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    Mehmet Okur's gay little slaps on the ball
     
  13. Cohen

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    Why not just a open a course in Assholiness?
     
  14. WNBA

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    again, scrubs' defense took out superstars' offense
    ......hmm, in this case, Yao and TMAC are not superstars because they choked.


    Offense is defense's b**** in playoffs.
     
  15. blackbird

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    You are not better than a 5th grade, are you?

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  16. SuperMarioBro

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    Well again, I don't think Bibby is that same player anymore...

    ... Honestly, though, the more I think about it, the more I think it might be worth the risk. There are some things to consider, though.

    The first is what kind of a hit our defense will take. How good of a defender do you think Alston is? I don't think he is great, but Bibby is worse, pretty much without a doubt; but the PG spot is typically the least important spot defensively, anyways. I mean just look at the Lakers, the Spurs, and the Heat during their title runs.

    Such a move is also a pretty big shake-up to the lineup, especially during a time when the team is red hot. Rafer is a HEAVY rotation player, so that's a big, and potentially risky change to make 2/3 of the way into the season. But at the same time, with the PG being our weakest link, Rafer's role should be easily replaceable. The only reason he gets so many minutes is because we have no one else. I mean, almost any starting PG in the NBA can do what he does at least as well, probably including Bibby.

    BUT another thing to consider is how injury prone Bibby has been recently. I defend Yao and McGrady a lot when people call them injury prone because I think (other than McGrady's back), they have just had some bad luck, but I can't deny that an injury to one of them is at least on my mind. Do we really want another heavy-minute starter at risk of going down in the home stretch?

    Heh, I think I just spent the last couple paragraphs arguing with myself... :p I think my conclusion is that the best case scenario is if we can get Bibby for scraps (somehow) so that we can keep Rafer and have a little depth at PG. If it comes down to Rafer or bust... yeah, I guess it's still worth it.

    In all likelihood, this is all a moot point anyways. I don't think we have much of a shot at Bibby, but what do I know.
     
  17. McGradySNKT

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    Welp, assistant coach failed at that too because he should've never let Yao get embarrased like that, not for the entire series anyhow.

    That was his problem from the get go, he didn't adjust and he ignored offense.

    No team wins on defense alone, or offense alone. It's all balance.
     
  18. ibm

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    bingo.
     
  19. Drewdog

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    I don't think we have a shot at him either (from what we have heard anyways).

    I guess my whole thing with the PG situation as-is (Alston/Brooks) doesn't excatly get me fired up for a deep playoff run. If you brought in a Bibby/Cassell type player (PG with playoff experience that can be counted on to drain open shots), that would certainly offset some of Rafer's deficiencies.

    As it stands now, defenders are going to leave him open and he will have to make his wide open shots or finish in traffic. He's been on a pretty nice little streak recently.... Just hope he can keep it up.
     
  20. durvasa

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    You didn't prove anything with that skill vs height nonsense. You didn't bother to define what it means to be the "best center", or what it means to be "skilled", nor did you even use real data.
     

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