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ABORTION

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by giddyup, Feb 12, 2014.

  1. giddyup

    giddyup Member

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    By Plan B, I assume you mean a morning-after pill. I don't first and foremost think of that as "birth control" so that may account for the discrpancy. I think of birth control as prevention of conception. When my young married wife and I learned how BC pills worked, we got off them and used other forms of contraception... and I was still 15 years from returning to Church and could not quote the Bible at all... except for Galatians 6:9 "Do not grow weary in well-doing, for in due time you shall reap a harvest if you faint not." Always liked that one.
     
  2. giddyup

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    Here's the million dollar question:

    Most pro-Choice people claim to be "against Abortion." Why? If it is not a human life being disposed of.... what is the source of the reluctance?

    Is the statement that the goal is to have the fewest number of abortions just in the vein of there should be the fewest number of knee surgeries?

    Or is it because there is more at stake, because if there is not more at stake even the pro-Choice crowd would not advocate, as they plainly do, for the desire to reduce the rate of abortion. Puzzling...
     
  3. Northside Storm

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    Are you against spermicide by that same logic?

    An egg rests in the Fallopian tubes until it's fertilized by sperm. Obviously, thousands of sperm cells die before reaching the egg, but spermicide does exactly what it says it will: genocide of sperm. Legalized murder of sperm!

    How far does your compassion for cell-types goes?
     
  4. Northside Storm

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    you don't have to define your compassion and limit it to what's "human".
     
  5. giddyup

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    So, plainly state why it is "regrettable" when an abortion is chosen? Why does everyone "regret" that choice but choose it anyway, time and time again?
     
  6. Cohete Rojo

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    That did not answer a single question. Besides, who posts graphs without linking to the source?
     
  7. Northside Storm

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    I'm not your scraper on-demand--I was just trying to be nice. If you want answers to your question, I suggest you use Google or Quora. ty :)
     
  8. Northside Storm

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    Sure, an abortion is regrettable because it shows the failure of a society to support motherhood, and women. An abortion is the canary in the coal mine of a country that pays lip service to families, but does very little to support them.

    That so many women would choose to forgo motherhood says something about how America treats mothers, especially single mothers.

    But who is your "everyone"? I wouldn't claim to speak for such a broad audience. This is merely my personal view on the matter.
     
  9. mdrowe00

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    I'd agree.

    This is the crux of the "abortion" issue, right here.

    We value freedom and life...if we can fit it into a reasonable (and arbitrary) budget.

    It's not about any definition of "human life"...where it starts or where it should end...

    ...it is always about what it costs, as opposed to what it's worth.

    We at the height are ready to decline.
    There is a tide in the affairs of men
    Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
    Omitted, all the voyage of their life
    Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
    On such a full sea are we now afloat,
    And we must take the current when it serves,
    Or lose our ventures.

    Brutus to Cassius
    Julius Caesar, Act IV, scene 2
     
  10. Cohete Rojo

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    Defining a problem involves gathering data about the situation - which seems to be your weakness.
     
  11. juicystream

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    I'm against it, but I am pro-life, though I could see a difference with more serious medical conditions (the severity of Downs varies of course).
     
  12. juicystream

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    I can't make an exception for those reasons.

    I don't believe life begins at conception, as an egg has to be fertilized and adhere to the uterus. Mostly, that is to say that I'm perfectly okay with the morning after pill and believe it should be OTC.
     
  13. hlcc

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    I think you are missing a step here. After a positive result from the genetic screening test which suggests a high probability of the baby having down syndrome, the next step is usually to conduct a diagnostic test such as CVS which will tell for certain whether the baby have down syndrome or not.
     
  14. giddyup

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    Look, I've never even read Ayn Rand, but you don't even promote one notion of personal responsibility.

    You don't like how America treats single mothers? Go to a Muslim county. You won't find any.... :eek:
     
  15. geeimsobored

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    I'm confused with the Ayn Rand reference. You are aware that she was extremely pro-choice? I dont think she'd agree with your stance.
     
  16. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Abortion is not murder.

    See Roe v Wade.

    I don't see the destruction of a zygote as murder at all. Someone trying to save zygotes are crazy in my eyes who have no idea what life really is. But I don't force that belief onto you. If you want to save zygotes, I understand, but don't force people to have babies because of your belief that a zygote is a human child.


    Only she has the right to decide what is right for her and developing fetus inside of her.
     
  17. Northside Storm

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    Your weakness seems to be reading comprehension.

    my emphasis added, link deliberately withheld

    ;)
     
  18. Northside Storm

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    Yeah...ayni was quite pro-choicy
     
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    Too funny - only giddy would quote a fervent pro-choice author as a means to lecture people against pro-choice.

    I like how the right will state their opinions as fact without acknowledging they have no basis for stating it as such. Shows a tremendous amount of insecurity and lack of critical thinking when you say things like, "Abortion is murder" vs. "I believe abortion is murder"
     
  20. giddyup

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    That's not the relevancy of my Ayn Rand citation. I clearly referred to her penchant for individual responsibility-- which is what I understood to be significant for her.

    At any rate, I wedged her in there in anticipation of a counter attack. Now that I read up on Ayn Rand, I like her even less.

    The point is the NS puts it on everyone else to provide the solution to a personal and individual "problem" that someone created while that same person apparently should expect to get taken care of.
     

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