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ABC: huge Taliban defeat

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Dec 14, 2007.

  1. wnes

    wnes Contributing Member

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    I got you what are saying but I never particularly care about NCAA which is only confined to U.S. college plays.

    My reference was wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volleyball

    If you read through the rule section, you can pretty much replace every instance of "game" with "match," and vice versa.
     
  2. gifford1967

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    Damn treasonous media!

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  3. glynch

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    Basso, I don't get it. The ABC is pretty mainstream media. YOu started out this thread with the ABC story headlined: Exclusive: Eyewitness Account of Huge Taliban Defeat

    Please explain how this is an example of how the media "wages its own private war against the administration."?
     
  4. danny317

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    nice.

    but i think hed say something along the lines of "even the liberal mainstream media can see that we're winning the war on terror"

    basso, am i right?
     
  5. rimrocker

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    One battle does not a war make... again, the administration worshipers follow their leaders and confuse tactics with strategy...
     
  6. Rashmon

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    This is going to wreak havoc on the price of heroin.

    Was the local Chamber of Commerce consulted before they did this?
     
  7. rocketsjudoka

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    What about the dealers? Won't anyone think about the dealers!! ;)
     
  8. Refman

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    A media who was ok with us going to war when we were directly attacked by Japan, who was allied with Germany. On 9/11 we were attacked not by a nation, but by a faction from many nations. If you wanted to say that we are responding to an attack, then we would have gone into Saudi Arabia, because that is where the majority of the terrorists came from.

    It is also a media who knew that we were fighting for the greater good. Nazi Germany occupied a good bit of Europe and had concentration camps full of Jews. Over 6 million of them were killed.

    There is no such basis in Iraq. If we are using brutal dictatorship as a reason to go to war, then we are going to have to attack and occupy a good chunk of the world.

    I voted for Bush for governor and TWICE for President. I can tell you that the media is waging war against the administration, because there is a lot to loathe. I, for one, am very disappointed in the actions of the administration. Bush campaigned as a compassionate conservative. He has, in his second term, been neither compassionate nor conservative.
     
  9. jo mama

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    i wouldnt worry about the cia too much.
     
  10. Batman Jones

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    Nice post, Refman.

    I think and hope it's representative of the thinking of a great number of thinking Republicans.

    I'd be curious to know who you're supporting in 08. I'm curious too to know if you'd change your 00 or 04 votes if you had it to do over.
     
  11. Refman

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    In 08, I would go to bed happy if the election were Mike Huckabee against Bill Richardson. Since that is not going to happen, I do not know who I would support. There is something fundamental I dislike about all of the leading candidates. Guiliani and Obama are both interesting. I cannot stand Hillary. I cannot stand Romney.

    As for 00 and 04, I would not change those votes. I dislike Al Gore (even though he is very remotely related to my father). Kerry irritated me because he never went into specifics. To almost every question, his answer was "I have a plan for that." He never said what his plan was. I thought at the time that his plan was..."grab your ankles, here's what I'm doing with tax rates."
     
  12. Batman Jones

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    Thanks for the reply, Ref.

    Interesting that your top candidates are the same as thumbs'. You might get your choice in Huckabee (probably not, but it's possible) but no way Richardson gets through. He has the best resume of anyone running, but he's unusually unready for prime time.

    I'd be curious to know what you dislike about Obama, Giuliani, Edwards, McCain and Thompson -- if indeed you meant to include each of them as leading candidates.
     
  13. Dubious

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    How many Pravda headlines boasted large victories over the Mujadeddin from 1979 thru 1988?

    The problem is these guys live there. They are going to always live there.
    History tells you that you never outlast the indigenous peoples with occupation forces. You either wipe them all out, co-opt them into your culture or you eventually go home and they resume control.

    So settle in boys, we have at least another 50 years in Afghanistan.

    What we need to do is set up warehouses all over the country and buy all the poppies they can produce for $1 a kilo more than the Taliban. And then pay $2 a kilo more than that for whatever else they can grow in place of poppies. Pay them in dollars and open Walmarts, put up cell towers and start a 24 hour soccer channel. It's cheaper than fighting.
     
  14. rimrocker

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    So, the President says the Taliban no longer exists because the United States military whooped them, yet here is basso questioning the performance of our troops by posting an article from the America-hating press that says the Taliban is in existence. I guess basso would rather hate America instead of support our President and the troops.

    If he had any shred of conscience, basso will apologize to Bush and the troops and renounce his traitorous ways.
     
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    What was the date of that foot in the mouth exercise, Rimster? I don't want to clink on the White House link. It makes me feel dirty. Surely that's not recent.



    Impeach Bush.
     
  16. rimrocker

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    September 27, 2004... during the last weeks of the campaign before a hand-picked crowd of supporters at the Midwest Livestock and Expo Center in Springfield, Ohio.
     
  17. rimrocker

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    By the way, I found that via Glenn Greenwald, who researches well.
     
  18. Rashmon

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    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5383492.html

    Bush urged to shift troops to Afghanistan
    Military seeks move as violence declines in Iraq

    By DEB RIECHMANN
    Associated Press

    WASHINGTON — President Bush will soon start holding periodic videoconferences with Afghan President Hamid Karzai, a move that reflects growing concern over continued violence that is making this the deadliest year in Afghanistan since the U.S.-led invasion in 2001.

    The videoconferences, over a secure link, go along with reviews that the Bush administration and its NATO allies are conducting of their mission in Afghanistan. The reassessments point out a need to find better ways to coordinate the fight against al-Qaida and the hardline Taliban, help Karzai gain greater control outside the Afghan capital of Kabul and curb opium cultivation that bankrolls insurgents.

    Bush's decision to have regular videoconferences with Karzai pushes U.S. policy in Afghanistan to a higher level. Bush has regular videoconferences with allies, including Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown and German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

    The U.S. review of Afghanistan is not as sweeping as the comprehensive examination of the mission in Iraq last winter that led Bush to send more troops. Success in Afghanistan, however, is a priority for Bush, who has been criticized by Democrats for focusing more on Iraq than on finding Osama bin Laden, who is believed to be hiding along the Afghan-Pakistani border.

    "I can assure you that there are many people considering the situation in Afghanistan on an ongoing basis. They're constantly reviewing our posture, and that includes having dialogue with our allies in NATO," White House press secretary Dana Perino said today.

    "There are reviews under way, as I understand it, that the British are looking at, that the Canadians are considering, and we are doing our ongoing assessment, as well," she said. "As to the scope and scale of the Iraq review that we did last winter, I would not describe it that way."

    Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who met with U.S. allies in Scotland last week, said the U.S. would brainstorm for ideas on how other NATO allies might contribute more troops or equipment in Afghanistan. Gates has been pressing for more helicopters, 3,500 police trainers and three battalions of ground troops.

    Gates also acknowledged during questioning by a congressional committee recently that opinion polls of Afghans show increasing support for the radical Taliban.

    This year, more than 6,300 people, mostly militants, have been killed in Afghanistan, according to an Associated Press count based on official figures. The country has also seen a record number of suicide bomb attacks — more than 140 — this year.

    But Brig. Gen. Joseph Votel, the deputy commanding general of U.S. troops in Afghanistan, said Sunday that the international mission is making progress. Votel told journalists at Bagram, the main U.S. base, that, by U.S. measurements, security has increased in 25 districts that American forces oversee in eastern Afghanistan, governance has improved in 12 and development work has improved in 27. There are 159 districts in the eastern region of Afghanistan where U.S. troops primarily operate.

    He said the U.S. military has killed or captured more than 50 key insurgent leaders this year, action that has created a vacuum on the battlefield. Still, he said that despite those losses, insurgents have shown some improvements in their effectiveness.

    Progress by the Afghan army, which has had an increased role in operations this year, has been the biggest achievement the U.S. helped oversee in 2007, Votel said. Asked if al-Qaida fighters could be moving from Iraq into the Afghanistan-Pakistan region, he said it was a "distinct possibility."
     

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