Another lame attempt by NewYorker to try to stir up the racial tension on this board. This thread is all about censorship in China and their sensitivity towards how they are portrayed in the movie. But this NewYorker again somehow seizes the opportunity to try to pit the Chinese against the other races of people. How lowlife can this NewYorker get? Why do you keep doing things only people with acute inferiority complex would do, NewYorker? Do you really feel so inferior about yourself that you have to find your self-esteem in that way? When will stop trying to turn this forum upside down by your lame tactics, NewYorker?
and I thought Asians were smart. or logical. I mean, aren't most Asians engineers and doctors or something? so Yuantian: you are saying that censorship works because it pre-empts any offensive materials that a population may see by deciding for that population what is offensive in the first place? so: how do you know that you will 'be pissed' if you haven't seen the offensive material? Seems like a quandary to me. Basically, you are saying that: Hey, the government (Chinese, in this case) knows what I think is offensive and I leave it up to them to decide what I should see. Don't you think that this is, for the lack of better word, illogical? Why wouldn't you want to see for yourself the material and decide if it's offensive? Or -- if you think through past experiences that the material may be offensive to you, don't see it... but maybe other people will want to see it ?To have pre-emption, to deny access to the material for a significant population based on the decisions of a select minority.. that to me seems like a backwards thinking, don't you think? But hey -- China has a history of doing this, shutting itself off from the world in order to achieve stability. Stability. That's such a boogeyman, isn't it? Good luck with that. I think this particular situation is funny, actually; but when you carry this one action towards other behaviors -- Internet censorship, crackdown on dissidents, realpolitik at the expense of human rights... the country loses credibility with the rest of the world. Please help me understand. I've talked to many people of Chinese descent, whether they were born in the West or emigrated over or are in China, and I've come to the realization that logic goes out the window when the discussion turns towards the PRC government's actions.
i donno what yall talking about. i'm simply saying that there is nothing wrong with the censorship. censor or not censor, it aint a freaking big deal to me. why yall put all these politics crap in this topic. i donno why that's so hard to understand.
The same stuff happens in America with the way our court systems are setup. All it takes is one stupid lawsuit What kind of answer do you expect with this kind of statement? The only proper response is to 1) go on the defensive and establish an even firmer position in the "censorship works" corner or 2) go aggressive and call you a racist/bigot/hypocrite, or whatever other words one can think up. If you're looking for a real discussion on these issues, just head over to the Tiananmen Square thread where these things were covered ad nauseum in a pretty civil tone.
What are you talking about? I'm assuming that I'm not the only who's confused about your stance. So censorship is ok because it's 'not a big deal to you'? Or am I wrong about this? Awesome. That's a great reason. Bravo! You get a star. Tell that to the millions of people around the world who have ideas withheld from them without their consent.
My apologies. There are civil discussion to be had and I should retract that statement. However, I do think that it's a sensitive issue and there are ingrained biases on both sides.
well, let me put it this way. nobody likes to be told what to do. the more you tell people what to do the less they like it. when it comes from another country or culture, it would be considered flat out offensive. so the more yall talk about it, it'll simply push more people into nationalistic tendency and ignore rationale. i mean, who do yall think chinese people going to side with? the chinese government or other governments? i mean, duh, come on folks. giving out advise is different from telling people what to do. you have to have manner and lead by example. nobody is going to listen to you if you are a big hypocrite.
Blah blah blah ... Last I checked, the US has banned more than a dozen of movies at one time or another. Shouldn't you no-voters whine like a b**** to no end? Heck, you even keep electing morons to public offices to screw your own freedom. Oh, what's up with the movie rating system? Shouldn't the parents, instead of the government, have the rights to decide which movies their kids can watch? As for which is offensive and which is not, like I said before, there are plenty of things that Americans would find offensive but Chinese would not. The only thing that's more laughable is the double standard you guys preach.
he's not going to answer any of your questions dude. he's just going to avoid it and say something else. he still won't give me a reason why he found it offensive or what a pirate is suppose to look like. basically if you ask him what a car looks like he would talk about boats.
nods I know what you're saying. I think part of the reason why there are some Chinese folks who seem to take a wide turn from their American upbringing when it comes to the PRC is that as basically the 2nd most recently established immigrant group in the US, before Hispanics (I would say Asians started arriving en masse around the 70's to 90's), there's still a sense of China being the motherland for a lot of us. In a sense a lot of us haven't fully come to terms with the fact that we're Americans now. I think this happens to every new immigrant group. They'll hang onto their roots until maybe a generation or two passes and the assimilation has been complete both economically (which Asians have) and socially (which Asians haven't yet). I'm sure the Italians and the Irish had to go through this adjustment period also. Until then, anytime a discussion comes up about PRC, a defense mechanism will kick in and some of us will perceive it almost as an attack on our own identity. That woudl probably explain the wide left some of us make when you talk about China.
speaking for myself, i'm talking about 1 movie and 1 act of censorship. i still want to know why people think the image of pirates in a movie about pirates is offensive. the government answer of bald and scarred doesnt satisfy me. i want to know from the people who found it offensive. its like if i wrote an article about lebron's free throws and someone changes it to a yao ming article for no reason.
parents can decide what movies their kids watch. there is just a rating system that prevents kids seeing them without their parents/guardians say so
the studios often leave a lot of stuff out during editing to make it get a specific rating by the MPAA. I suppose that could be twisted to censorship if you really was lookin for a reason. In the pirates case however, i'm at a complete loss. I have no idea why it's offensive.
MEOWGI did you see the the chinese sixth sense? its like 5 minutes long. the government found the whole thing offensive cause bruce willis was not portrayed like a real bruce willis should be portrayed in that era.
When has the US banned a movie recently? Pretty sure there is no control on movies here. We have a MPAA that is seperate from the .gov
This list has only one movie banned by the U.S. http://www.amazon.com/Banned-Movies-by-Various-Countries/lm/3SBGJPCE4ELRB
