Why is Lowry considered a ball dominant PG? Our offense has looked great with him in the lineup.. we aren't suffering from his 'ball dominance.' It's not like Lowry dribbles the ball into the ground and our offense stalls. I really don't know what you're seeing. If anything, our ball movement is MORE likely to stop with Brooks than it is with Lowry. Brooks is thinking shot first, not ball movement. Is Lowry a ball-dominant PG because he's not considered a great spot up shooter? I really don't know what you're watching or trying to argue.
Really? What are you basing this off of? Where is your proof? What's best for the team is to keep winning. Lowry has made this team and everyone around him much better. Brooks does not make everyone around him better. He is not a true point guard. Brooks -Create his own shot -$ on the 3 ball Lowry -Make everyone around him better -Rebound -Defend Lowry wins. It would be stupid if Adelman changes the starting line-up. But over the last 4 years he has been so stubborn I wouldnt doubt if he does. Why is Budinger still getting minutes again?
Not to mention -- has anyone actually WATCHED the Rockets this season? This is the most Adelman-like offense we've ever seen from the team, including the two years that Brooks ("a non-ball dominant PG") was the starting PG. Now, I don't mean to say that it's entirely because Lowry is starting. Brad Miller has done a great job and Kevin Martin has helped. But you're not going to tell me Lowry is a bad fit for our offense because he's a "ball-dominant" PG when our offense has never looked better than it currently is. It just doesn't make sense. It's like some people get these theories of what we need and ignore the reality of the situation that's currently going on.
First of all, I am not trying to argue anything. People seem mystified that Lowry is not the starter. All I am doing is explaining why it is that way, but people can't seem to let go of what they "know" about how a "traditional basketball team" is run. People need to abandon what they "know" about "traditional basketball" because we use a very non traditional system. If you want to understand, visualize a bunch of nameless faceless bodies and learn how they use the motion offense to create open looks at the basket. Once you understand that system and abandon the paradigm that the PG MUST create all the scoring opportunities you will understand why it is that Adelman is choosing Brooks over Lowry. Is it a good system? I dont know. I know Adelman is a good coach. I know he has had success with this system. I know they have loaded the roster with players that fit this system. People keep saying that the offense looks better when Lowry plays. Why does it matter how it looks? It wasnt as productive as the "not as pretty" Brooks offense (for lack of a better description).
False, very false. 1. A PG always has relevance on how a team runs an offense, whatever it is. 2. We also run another plays appart of Adelman system, and PGs have incidence here: what we run, when and how. An easy and recent example: Surely he would not have scored 40 with Brooks at his side. This is true also. It is a different thing and the point I wanted to discuss.
Lars, there's a reason people keep saying the offense has looked better. It's because it has. Several people have screamed at me that we have one of the most efficient offenses in however many years.. and you're arguing that our offense is more productive with Brooks as the starter? Based on what? Your assumption? I'll stick to what the numbers tell me.
I'm not sure if you could be further away from reality on this. I mean, the last thing anyone would call Lowry is "flashy". How is he "flashy"? That is just mind-numbing. Is Rondo "flashy"? Billups? I am not comparing players but just style of play. Jason Williams was "flashy". When Jason Richardson tries to go for a 360 dunk and gets his ass blocked by Lebron that's trying to be "flashy". If you watch the highlights, Terrence Williams is a little "flashy". When Aaron Brooks dribbles out the clock for 20 seconds while waving everyone else off and then takes a off balance fade away 3 with a difficulty level of 10/10, THAT is "flashy". It is flashy because he has the ability, the talent, to make some of those high degree of difficulty shots, which is why so many here view him as such a great basketball player. What they fail to see is his decision to take those shots in the first place. An inefficient shot that results in a horrendous offensive possession, EVEN if he makes it. But when he does, it sure is exciting! "Flashy" is extraneous activities that may look good from the sidelines, but has no real positive contributions to winning. It is the opposite of "substance". What part of Lowry's game at all resembles this? If anything he is the steadiest guy out there. He controls our whole tempo. Oh, and that excitement you feel when you watch him play, that's not from "flash". That's from his all out hustle, his heart, his fire, his energy that is so transcendent, so infectious that not only does it bring up the intensity and energy level of every one of his own teammates, it projects straight out of your television screen and up your *** to make you jump off your couch. THAT is why we get excited when watching him.
Edit/clarification: The point is true. Not a fact that current offense is not as productive as the "not as pretty" Brooks offense.
I like the idea as well. especially if we get TWIll instead of bud in the 2nd lineup..that way we have defense with TWIll and scoring from AB.
Well lets see if we can find an impartial observer to post team offensive stats for the two starters. Maybe Durvasa could help.
It doesn't matter who post them.. numbers don't lie. That said, it's not a perfect comparison. Brooks' main numbers should come from last year's team when he got the bulk of the minutes whereas Lowry's should come from this year when he was receiving the bulk of the minutes. The problem is, we have different personnel this year than we did last year, so its not an apples to apples comparison. That said, according to Hollinger, our team offensive efficiency this year is higher than it has been in the previous two years when Brooks was starting and Lowry was seeing 20 minutes off the bench. As I said before, it's probably due to quite a few reasons -- Martin adding his 'efficiency' to our team and Brad Miller knowing the offense. But I have a hard time accepting your point that Lowry doesn't "fit" into Adelman's offense. Our offensive efficiency is 2.6 points higher than it was last year, so your point about Brooks running a more productive offense doesn't seem on point to me. When I think of 'ball dominant PGs,' I think of guys like Steve Francis who will constantly dribble out the clock and not run offensive sets. Lowry doesn't do this at all! He pushes the ball to get transition points, but if it isn't there he gets it into the high post and runs the offense. That seems to fit Adelman's offensive system perfectly -- look for transition points and if they're not there, pull it out and run the high post offense. The only legitimate complaint you could raise about Lowry in this offense would be his inability to hit open jump shots. That's when you could say, "Brooks is a better fit because he's more of a threat to hit the open jumper." But Lowry's shooting this season has taken that argument off the table for the time being. His shooting percentages have been in line with what Brooks has given us -- he's just shooting less and looking to get others involved more. That doesn't make him a 'ball dominant PG' -- it makes him a good PG.
That's not a "complaint", that is throwing **** on the wall and hoping it sticks, since everything else has failed. There is nowhere near the sample size to definitively say Lowry doesn't play well against good defenses. What are you even basing this off of? 4 games?
let's see what Lowry does better than Brooks.. ballhandling - check court vision - check passing (creating for others) - check rebounding - check on ball defense - check help defense - check shooting - check for now Lowry is the superior point guard and it's not even close right now. The way he has been shooting, I think it'll be awfully foolish to pull Lowry out of the starting lineup. Like I mentioned earlier, he deserves 30 plus minutes and is definately a bonafide starting PG in this league.
