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Aaron Brooks knocking off the rust

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by anchel, Dec 22, 2010.

  1. LongTimeFan

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    Sure.

    Your whole tirade started when someone said it was more beneficial for Scola to be shooting than Brooks. I told you that Luis Scola shot better from the field than Brooks did. You responded, "of course he does, Brooks is shooting three pointers!"

    Ok, then I'll use the stat that accounts for three-pointers as well -- eFG%. Why would I bring FT% into a debate about why it's beneficial for Scola to get more FGA than Brooks? If you're arguing that Brooks should have the ball at the end of games when the other team is fouling -- hey, you win. But Scola makes the most of his shot attempts, as shown by the eFG%.
     
  2. Dave_78

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    Thefreak has lost his marbles.
     
  3. TheFreak

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    You said Scola was more efficient, and to go back to last year and you would still see the contrast. That's not true. Use TS or eFG, they were both nearly identical last year. I've been saying all along that it doesn't matter if Brooks supposedly takes shots away from Scola, since Scola isn't any more efficient than Brooks.
     
  4. TheFreak

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    Brooks eFG last year - .511
    Scola eFG this year - .506
    Scola eFG last year - .514

    So how does Scola make more out of his attempts, using your chosen metric?
     
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  5. LongTimeFan

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    Well my boy, Scola had a higher eFG last year than Brooks. And this year he has a higher eFG as well. In fact, every year that Scola and Brooks have been on the team together, Scola has posted a higher eFG%.

    Scola is our best low-post scorer. Martin is our best perimeter scorer. Is it really that out of the realm for you for someone to suggest that we should be going to Scola more often than Brooks?
     
  6. Noob Cake

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    Brooks Defense Force (BDF) out in full force tonight.

    Scola clearly is a better offensive option than Brooks. He passes the eye test. Anyways Kevin Martin one of the most efficient guards in the game, but don't tell me you'll take him over Kobe or Wade.
     
  7. YaoMac09

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    Lowry should get the start, he gets Scola and Martin into the game early by not taking their shots, I still think Brooks needs to finish games because you need all your weapons during crunch time. (unless Kyle keeps his hot streak up)

    I don't see why the AB supports insist that he starts, what is wrong with playing the Terry/Gino role?
     
  8. TheFreak

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    They can suggest it, but it doesn't mean it's based on anything factual (no, a .003 difference in eFG last year when Brooks got more defensive attention is not convincing, sorry).
     
  9. wekko368

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    Brooks got more defensive attention last year? Stop lying.

    Don't I look like an idiot when I go around accusing people of lying?

    But no, Brooks didn't get more defensive attention last year. He was primarily single covered except when he attacked the basket.

    Brooks and Scola may have comparable efficiency, but its the intangibles that make Scola a better option. By operating in the post, he creates far more openings for teammates and draws many more fouls than Brooks.

    Brooks, Martin, and Scola are all efficient scorers, but there's only a finite number of shots available during the course of the game. Doesn't it make sense to structure the lineups to maximize the number of shots and chemistry?
     
  10. ashishduh

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    Really? I don't think I've ever seen Brooks doubled, Scola gets doubled all the time.

    No sense in doubling when you know exactly what a player is going to do.
     
  11. chenjy9

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    It goes against their agenda.
     
  12. TheFreak

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    Yes, you do when we're talking about something that's not easy to disprove.

    Hey, I have no problem at all with any of that. Nice job.
     
  13. larsv8

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    "Whoever is more effecient" and "takes shots away from" is a dumb and overly simplistic argument.

    The most effecient player is going to be the one who takes the open shot in a spot they have traditionally been a good shooter in.

    Brooks taking open threes is a good shot. Lowry taking an open three has traditionally been a bad shot, although that has changed lately.

    The whole point is Brooks on the floor spaces the court more and provides more opportunities for good shots.
     
  14. choujie

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    Scola and AB are similar in terms of scoring efficiency.

    The main reason Scola's eFG goes down a little this year is Scola has seen more double teams than any of his previous years after a strong start. To compound that, Scola's shot selection becomes questionable when facing double teams, going one on two or one on three too often nowadays. That's a low percentage shot for him. He needs to learn how to pass out of double team better unless there is no time left on the block.

    But in terms of one on one and shooting open jumpers, I believe Scola's efficiency goes up compare with previous seasons.
     
  15. larsv8

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    Ever wonder why Scola might be seeing more double teams?
     
  16. choujie

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    I've said many times, the main problem is not offense for AB. Rockets offense doesn't really suffer with a healthy AB on the court. Right now they suffer to a certain degree because AB hasn't regain his biggest weapon yet, that's his speed.

    The main problem lies in defense. The gain on offense with AB/Martin over Lowry/Martin (if there is any) is minimal, but the loss on defense and hustle is substantial. That makes the sum of offense+defense for the entire team worse. And that's the main reason I think Lowry should start. The +/- since last season is supporting that.

    One thing I've noticed is after coming back, AB seems to make a better effort at defending even though his shots are not falling. I still don't think he can play average defense because of his frame, but at least that's a step to the right direction.
     
  17. choujie

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    Doesn't matter. Lowry makes them pay nowadays. It's some questionable decision making by Scola to go against double/triple team all by himself.
     
  18. larsv8

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    Whats the difference between being a bad defender in the starting group vs being a bad defender in the bench group?
     
  19. Dave_78

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    Brooks' spacing of the floor isn't very useful when he doesn't hit the open man who is benefiting from that space. Lowry, on the other hand, gets guys the ball where/when they want it. This is not that difficult to understand. Please watch some better basketball DVDs and try again. Also, please stop calling me names when you give me rep. It's hurting my feelings, Slick.
     
  20. LongTimeFan

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    Dang he called you an ahole on here and then repped you for it? You're in his head so bad he's starting to like it.. ;)
     

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