I would love to see you bring up a series of 9 plays in a row where this actually happened. In any game Brooks has played. Larsv8 listed plays in succession that actually happened. You appear to give a highlight(lowlight?) reel of poor plays by Brooks.
Interesting post. But it's way too narrow. One game. One 9-minute period. One side of the court. Doesn't translate to an entire game. Doesn't translate to a stretch of games. It's like looking at Brooks throwing up a 1 for 6 in one quarter of one game and saying he's useless offensively. It does not translate. You have to look at the whole body of work. You have to be able to evaluate both sides of the ball. You have to be able to look at longer term minutes with both point guards running with the same other 4 guys around them. Look. Brooks is a scorer. Lowry is a facilitator. If there is anything we have learned after observing both of them play for the past couple seasons it is this. Even when they play together, Lowry is the one running the O from the top while Brooks is moving, cutting, and coming off screens to receive the pass......usually from Lowry.
There was nothing childish. You just don't get why some of us prefer Lowry as a starter. Your knowledge of the game has not reached that level yet. Don't beat yourself up over it, Slick.
He won't be able to because his post is complete bull****. Most Lowry fans already have their mind made up and won't be down to have an intelligent basketball discussion, hence why nobody responded to larsv8's post with any kind of substance.
No, AB does not do that all the time whenever he is in the game. But it is my pet peeve with AB, and something he has a habit of doing which has a high chance of leading to a turnover. Did I say he dribbles out all 24 seconds? Tell me where I said that, please. Last night, I counted and he held the ball for 6 seconds max at the start of the possession before passing it out. The difference is, he passes it to a Scola or Miller not in position who immediately has to throw it back out to the perimeter, and the ball finds its way to AB again, who has to do something with it as the shot clock ticks down, as the rest of the players have no idea what is going on.
Not taking sides but you can say the same thing about the AB fans, some even claim he is an average defender.
Even if both were equal, I'd still want Lowry as the starter. Why? HE PLAYS DEFENSE!!! move along people, nothing else to see. /thread
I must admit though, I saw Brooks make some passes yesterday that I never thought he'd look to make, he looked kinda awkward (like Chuck Hayes bringing the ball up the court) but at least he found Scola and Battier for some good open looks. He's showing some improvement, which will help our bench greatly.
If this was as big a problem as you make it seem then it's on Adelman to get it fixed. I think it's more likely that the guys aren't used to Aaron being out there and so the chemistry that existed before he got back is going to have to be reworked to add him in. On one hand, keep him with the 2nd unit so the starting 5 stays the same to keep their chemistry up. If you put him starting then both units have someone else to integrate which could take time. And going into January changing up the chemistry is dangerous. At least whatever happens should be easier(and probably prettier) than it was to start the year because most of the guys are pretty well attuned to their roles now.
Does anybody remember that play the other night where Brooks lollygagged bringing the ball up and we got an 8-second call??? An 8 second call!?!?! That's high school stuff there. I think it was the Warriors game. But the pressure wasn't even that great. It was soft. He just lollygagged it. It was just one play. And I'm not soured on Brooks because of that. I'm not soured on him at all. But that was a pretty piss poor play. I think Adelman jerked his a... after that one. And he should have.
I like AB and it's definately the weakest link in his game. He is a better distributor than a defender. Overall I'd give him a below average rating on defense.
Its a representation of what our starting group does, since the biggest debate is who should start. And I would do it for every game if people actually were able to view things objectively, but as you can see from the juvenile response I am getting, it clearly is not. This is the way it is every game, its just too time consuming to catalog it, but since its the holidays I had time. The rest of the time is irrelevant, because the point was to highlight the role of the PG in our starting five, when that group is on the floor, which is the first 8 minutes of the game. And that is the entire point. The starting five doesnt use a facilitator, the second unit does. I would hope that atleast this data here would make you take a second look at that. And again, this is not about them playing together, this is about the starting five.
What the starting group does is get the ball to Martin and get him off early. Since he is our most efficient scorer.....BY FAR....this is exactly what they should be doing. Lowry makes that happen, big time. The same way Lowry made the 2nd unit roll last year. He got the tempo up and got guys layups/dunks, the most efficient scoring plays. Lowry gets our offense the most efficient scoring opportunities. Including providing for Brooks to get space to get his shots off as well. Lowry facilitates everything, the first team, the second team, he even helps the fans gobble popcorn for goodness sake. Can't you see that? Brooks.............he shoots.
Pot calls kettle... But ya, even if it were proven that AB could run the offense better (which he can't)... ...defense.
You've been telling people they don't know basketball or don't have near the basketball IQ that you have because they aren't seeing the same thing as you for the past several pages/week. When someone says the same thing to you, you call them an a-hole. Interesting..
Scola isn't going to pass the ball to himself deep the low post. Nor is K-mart going to zip himself a pass to his sweet spot outside the 3 pt line. Lowry knows how to space the floor, when to attack the basket to draw in defenders, and when to kick it out to the man with the best chance of hitting the shot. The ball movement is crisper when Lowry is at the point. He keeps the defense reacting, instead of having time to read and adjust. All of these things are what Lowry brings to the table as a facilitator at the point for the starting five.
The thing is Lowry is NOT the primary reason scorers like Martin and Scola get the ball. We ran a high-post offense that involves the PG throwing it to the big man (Scola or ChucK) and then moving without the ball. Our offense is not predicated on a PG facilitating for others.
The difference with Brooks is he is going to take his shots with the first unit and that is going to take shots away from Martin and Scola. Brooks does not give up the ball and move the ball like Lowry does. Brooks probes and looks for his and then looks for Martin and Scola. And that, my friend, is the difference that makes Lowry more valuable. Lowry has the sense to realize that Martin and Scola are the most efficient offensive options he has on the floor. Brooks doesn't have that sense. Brooks thinks and plays as if he is the most efficient scoring option out there. When the truth is, when Martin and Scola are on the floor, Brooks is the THIRD BEST scoring option available. Now, running with the second group, he can turn into the primary scorer, and I believe he would be great if we had another facilitator to get him the ball while Martin, Scola, and Lowry are catching a break. Hence, I am looking forward to seeing TWill run the break for our second unit and Brooks to be on the wing doing his thang. I think even having Ish run the point in a small ball lineup with Brooks with the 2nd unit would be highly, highly effective. And it allows us to still have Martin and Lowry as primary scoring options, getting their touches, with Brooks getting his touches in bunches with a unit that can play off his shooting and scoring.
