A Truce between Yao-only and Steve-only fans... please?

Well here's the thing, you know Yao won the votes in arenas in the U.S. too right? People just don't want Shaq to start that game. It's popularity contest (think about VC, Penny, Jordan or Grant Hill that voted in not based on performance but by popularity). Yao's popular.

 

when will this $hit ever end? i swear, ten years from now you people still bent out of shape on so and so only fans will bring this crap up. Even JVG is a Yao only fan according to you all, all right? Just read today's Chronicle. No more terms like "Ya only" or "Steve only" CRAPPPP!!!!

 

This is soooo stupid ... This team isnt Yaos .. Its not Steve's ... It's HOUSTONS TEAM!!!!

I thought it was so stupid when Shaq and Kobe were arguing who's team it was when in reality each plays totally different roles on the team and they each have separate jobs to do. Its the same with Yao and Steve except the problem here is that its not Steve and Yao bickering its the fans of those players.

Bottom Line ... Both players have different abilities and this team would be nowhere close to as good as they are without either of these players. Yao and Steve realize that ... WHY CAN'T YOU!?

 

I don't think yao won the votes in U.S. arenas. While it is a popularity contest, vince was the only starter last year besides yao who didn't have the numbers to back up being a starter. Yao is extremely popular, but so is shaq. Anyone in the nba will tell you that the china vote is why yao started. M.J. wasn't voted as a starter either, it was a game time decision to let him start.

Steve is the team captain, it's his team until he loses that title. Quit being so ignorant.

 

I still stand my belief that there's no such thing as a Steve only fan. Somebody show me a Steve homer who thinks Yao should be traded or thinks that Yao shouldn't become the first option. Somebody show me a Steve supporter who says that JVG doesn't "get it." Somebody show me a Steve supporter who blames everybody but Steve when he has a bad game. People who have been misnomered as "steve only fans" are actually Rockets only fans. They just defend Steve from the constant "trade him" stuff because he is part of this team. If Steve Francis were traded or left this team, we would still be here. If Yao left this team, you'd better believe the traffic on this site would sharply drop and we'd be wondering why so and so or Yetti aren't posting here anymore.

 

Agreed, I don't think there are that many Steve only fans either, just Rox fans tired of a lot of new Yao - only fans coming on a Rox message board and bash Rox players. Just my .02

 

yeah

 

Thank you! The only reason the words "Steve-only fan" exist is because that's the only way Yao-only fans can defend their ridiculous obssessions. Everyone knows Steve has his faults. The only difference is YOF's think Yao has none.

 

there you go:
http://bbs.clutchcity.net/php3/showthread.php?s=&threadid=67452

(I take it that by implication sam is saying Yao-only fans are those that will support which ever team Yao plays for)

So which is it? You guys seem to want to herd in a wide variety of different types of fans under the label 'Yao-only' fans by accusing them of a whole array of different things by making sweeping generalisations inclusively, and then accusing the whole group of things that only certain members of the group are guilty of. The term Yao-only already suggests that such fans are rooting for Yao's success, even at the expense of the team.

I myself like the rockets because Yao is on the team, so by Sam's definition, he'd want to label me a Yao-only fan. Do I think Yao has no faults? - No, I actually think he has a long way to go, and I'm not as optimistic as others are about dominating the league any time soon because of his physical limitations (jumping, strength, conditioning, fatigue, etc). Do I root for Yao for the great individual success for my racial identity's sake? - honestly I'm Chinese, and yes, guilty as charged (though there other basketball related reasons why I like him). But it's already been pointed out that there are fans that meet other Yao-only criteria that are not asian. (Furthermore, I don't see any problem with liking a player because he's the same race as you. You can like a player for his hustle, his shooting skill, his cross-over move, the college he came from, the neighbourhood he came from, may be you're his neighbour, etc. does it really matter why I like watching Yao?) Do I want Yao to do well at the expense of the team? (as many of you seem to be implying) - No. I would like to see Yao win a championship one day, and hope the rockets do well. As a Yao fan, I'd be turned off if he put his stats as a priority over the team. Do I go off starting trade threads and blame threads? - No.

The point of the post: I think you guys are too harsh on 'Yao-only' fans. You guys want the hating and overt criticism of non-Yao players to stop, but your overt criticism of 'Yao-only' fans sometimes makes things worse. Someone says trade the cat, he's a moron! Someone else gets angry and blasts the guy calling him a racist Yao-only fan slut... I'm exaggerating, but you get the point, it all just spirals down from there (that yckt guy is a good example). If you think a Yao-only fan is being a moron, making claims like steve isn't passing the ball! with no argument backing the claim at all, just ignore him. No need to go off lumping others as Yao-only and accusing them of doing the same stupid things he does. If you guys want to label someone as a Yao-only fan - fine. Just accuse him accordingly under whatever criteria you used to label him in the first place. Don't label someone a Yao-only fan because the fan likes him because he's of the same race, and then accuse him of not being able to see the any faults in Yao, just because some posters on the board can't.

Oh, I don't know... so confused! You go ahead and label me then.

 

Saitou

I actually the guy that started the thread was a Yao only fan that wants Yao to go play with J Kidd because he thinks Yao would be better in NJ. See how he talks about Yao opting out and etc. I could be wrong but that's how I saw it.

Other than that I like rest of your post. I kind of have the same feeling.

 

All your quotes were of people commenting on YOFs. Where do they say that Yao should be traded? Where do they say he won't become a great player. Keep searching, you'll probably find something, but not at the rate that YOFs.

 

wiz: it's hard to tell really. I see where you're coming from but it looks to me like the guy wanted to do it to keep francis as "the man" in his own words. would oliver_67 please stand up? maybe you want to clarify your stance.

oski: did i say the people i quoted were saying yao should be traded? did i say they were saying he won't become a great player? what exactly are you accusing me of?

 

Also, to add on to my original post, I'm not saying that the specific people I quoted are necessarily making unfair judgements. But there have been quite a few accusations of YOF, and they all seem to be based on a general consensus of what a YOF consists of(which includes quite a few things). And I thus stated why I thought it was unfair for the reasons in the first post.

 

I don't think he was necessarily accusing you of anything, but those are definitely things characteristic of YOF's towards the rest of the players. You would be hard pressed to find similar reactions toward Yao from the rest of us, and this is what i think is the most irksome. Now as far as telling us to just ignore them..that is much easier said than done when you have to see in every thread some sort of reference to trading all our players that are not Yao.

Your problems with prematurely calling anyone who likes Yao a YOF is indeed warranted and understandable. The only thing I can tell you is that I have used discretion when using the label seeing how I've only used it to describe one person.

 

jdlee80
You have obviously not been reading your 'dailies' recently (if ever). Only your naive mind thinks otherwise but see at least one evidence of my obviously factual claim (widely known and accepted around NBA's "in-the-knows") - I bet you cannot produce one for yourself save for your puerile and emotionally manufactured claim of your stance on this current discourse. See for ya self


Oh btw Myco, leave me alone - I am married to a female

 

Anyway this thread should die now the hard way (lockup) before excess stupidity takes over.

I implore mods to lock this thread up now - we have a game on Saturday to worry about.

 

It's nice that you're married to a female. I have a girlfriend. You can't answer any of my points with the "substance" that you so cherish, so you think calling me names and making assumptions on my sexual orientation will suffice. You are very wrong, sir, and I will continue to expose your hypocrisy whenever it surfaces.

P.S. I have to compliment you on the fact that you acutally didn't use the rolleyes in this post. Congratulations.

 

And yes, go ahead and lock this thread for Fegwu before he has to actually come up with a decent response.

 

Because you quoted me before you put a link to a thread started by an obvious Nets fan trolling on the board. That didn't meet the criteria I asked for. Then you listed more quotes. If you are gonna quote me asking for someone to point out a "Francis only fan" who demands we trade Yao or that he won't amount to anything, then quote and source things right underneath my quote, I can only assume they are related to my post.

 

myco: noted. I do understand your frustration, and am glad that you see my side of it too.

It didn't seem obvious to me that he was a Nets fan at all. Now that you guys have pointed out the possibility, I see where you're coming from that he may be one, but I certainly wouldn't say it is obvious that he is one. With a whole thread devoted to blaming Yao for the Memphis loss (and there were people who wanted to place the blame on him, some who bothered to explain their frustration, some just being quite irrational, after he had what I thought was a decent game), it doesn't seem that big a stretch that a Francis fan would want to trade Yao. The Yao fatigue thread also kind of ****fted towards a blame Yao thread. Normally I would ignore the screaming and hollering ones who are unreasonable, but you asked me to show one to you, and in my opinion I did. I do concede that there are less such fans who are unreasonably hostile towards Yao, but you were saying they did not exist at all - I was trying to show you that they do.

And so you did not read the rest of my post? The link was meant as a direct answer to your question. ie. You ask me to show you a "steve homer" (in your original words) who thinks Yao should be traded. And I show you one. On hindsight I see that your disputing the guy being a steve homer has some legitimacy, but it's still my opinion that he seems like one - we'll never really know unless he comes out and clarifies it for us. I never did say the people I quoted were making trade-Yao statements, and if you ask me where I saw them making such statements, I can only assume you are accusing me of accusing them of making such statements. (phew!) I shall split my replies into two separate posts next time to avoid confusion.