A Truce between Yao-only and Steve-only fans... please?

Why don't both sides settle their feuds on the court at U of H


Anyway I do not give credence to immature, myopic and naive posters who resort 'lumping' or name calling. Yeah some posters or posts can be anoying - but it takes a wise man to look beyond the annoying parts and focus on a substance in the form of a well thought out rebuttal or pro. You can also choose not to respond.

By default human beings are selfish.....stupid. But our levels of selfishness varies. Also some people are more intelligent than others - it is not ones faults; it is genetics and hard work.

The thing I find amuzing is that many here (especially those who signed up prior to begining of last season) see it as duty to lump everyone who criticizes Francis and Mobley as novicely coined Yao-only fans and vice versa. But many of those fellas have never stopped to think about the real issues raise - whether it is conceivably reasonable or not without allowing our childish emotions cloud judgements.

There is the stupid notion that everybody who points out Francis' shotcomings are all Asians. I am a Nigerian and I became a Rockets fan because of Hakeem and in fact 'chose' to move down here because of him. In the same vain I love Yao a whole lot because he represents everything I believe a good and intelligent basketball player should be. I have been a Rockets fan since the eeraly 90s and nothing has gotten me this excited since then. I consider myself a no-nonsense Homer and a pure basketball fan. I loved Hakeem and I was happy when he was shipped of because I loved Rox more than any individual. The point here is that I call it like I see and yes I have a gift of anticipating things early even in good times when short-sighted people tend to focus on the instant gratification of a rootless victory (one built on a sandy beach).

Basketball to me should and aught to be simple, pure, straightforward and void of dumb and stupid actions. This what I will continue to preach - the elmination of dumbness and stupidity from our brand of Basketball. This game is not that hard - I don't seeing our players or any player for that matter who makes it hard regardless of which teams are playing (even if the Rox are not involved). I can let players slide for not becoming stronger, or faster or redundant injuries but I have no room or excuse for stupid basketball and players with low babsketbal IQ levels.

 

I don't read Chinese. But I have heard many people say the harshest critics of Yao last year are those on the Chinese BBS.

 

last season

 

THe first game I went was 1987, floor seats summit against Mil Bucks.... I've been addicted to Rox since.

Yao is my favorite player because he is on the Rox...

Yao is the most efficient player on the team... FG%

Yao is the best inside presence on the team... Defense

But Yao is only one player on the TEAM. I don't particularly like the Yao-only-Fans because they like him, not the team. I guess that is what the ignore list is for.

 

LOL, listen to Fegwu try to lecture us. Does anyone else see the irony in that bolded sentence? I guess us immature and myopic posters should just defer to the wise-man Fegwu who as we know always focuses on substance rather than name-calling.

Just dishin out the irony aren't we? Tell me again Fegwu, what did you mean by this sentence? "If we are going to lose 81 games lets lose with a our best player, Yao. I prefer to go down with Yao than those other dumb and stupid pawns/scrubs he has been forced by Rudy to play with."

The stupid notion is that, using your words, you can "lump" all the people who defend Francis as thinking his critics are all Asian. Most of us understand that Yao-only does not equal Asian.

Listen, I can understand your infatuation with Yao. He is a huge bright spot for the Rockets. However, it's easy to see where you go with every single one of your arguments. Yao is God, and damn those stupid teammates he has to play with...they are the worst players ever...blah blah did i mention Yao is God?

It's also amusing to see you complain about people resorting to name-calling when you have given such mature posts like

 

Why truce? Fight, fight...till stupid ones drop dead, be it yao only fan, or steve only fan.

 

I'm a Rockets fan period. If I choose to criticize or compliment individual players on the Rockets, I do it because I think what these players contribute hurts or helps the team. I don't criticize or compliment individual players simply because I have or don't have their back and I think that describes the vast majority of the posters on the BBS. Criticizing players does not make you a bad fan and supporting them does not necessarily make you a good fan. Supporting players who are underachieving makes you a fool and if you spend money on said player or organization while harboring such views it also makes you a sucker.

 

You may never 'get it' - so why even bother.

 

I have to agree with AC here.

But with me its a little different. I am almost starting to have and urge to not root for the guy because of the Yao-Only fans - who I think have underlying intentions in their rooting for him to individually succeed. To tell you truth I think I am right when I say a lot of these guys are rooting for him so passionately just for the fact that he shares the same race and heritage as they do. Meaning if Yao was not chinese they could care less how many shots Francis takes, or Mobley takes, compared to how many Yao takes.

Its funny because he's probably my favorite player right now and but these Yao-only fans turn me off to the guy when they start b****ing about how many shots the he got or didn't get after we just whipped the Bulls ass...I donl't know,...that makes me wonder....makes me think I'm on to something when I say Yao-Only Fans are rooting for him and concerned with him having great individual success for their racial identitys sake.

 

Examples of irrational siding for or aganist Yao:

1. After Yao led the Rockets in scoring, fg%, shot blocking, and rebound against Memphis, someone started a thread saying that Yao was to be blamed for the loss.

2. After the Rockets whipped the Bulls by 32 points when 5 players scored in double figures, someone started a thread saying that the win didn't justify the fact that Yao didn't have enough shots.

We need a truce indeed.

 

I became a semi-Rockets fan because of Hakeen, then a full-time fan because of Yao, but I probably criticized Yao the most on this BBS. I point out the weakness in Yao's game, the area he should improve, not put the blame on him for losing the ball game.

My thing against some posters (both Yao fans & Yao Haters) are they blame the individual for the loss, not pointing out the problem/weakness the players have. I don't call those them real fan.


--daoshi

 

Oh i "get it"...you're trying to make a clean cop-out...well c-ya later then.

 

Stop the madness. If you read their BBS, you should know that the Bulls' fans literally drool over Steve Francis and Yao Ming. About those yao only fans, if they wish Yao to post up good numbers and don't care if the Rockets win or lose, they're deserved to be kicked off!!! So far, I haven't seen many of those.

 

hell
we had a fan say he would not mind
if the rockets went 0-82 as long as they
did it with YAO as the focus.

To me.. . .that is bullsh*t

those are the fans i cannot stand

Rocket River

 

Thanks. Living proof for the bias against Yao in these days. Yao haters grow in proportion to the Yao-only fans, as a result of reverse psycology.

Don't get me wrong I'm saying that you are a Yao hater, just saying that there is likely more people around here who feel much deeper in the same direction as you do.

The same thing happens for Kobe and James, people gets fed up with them because they feel the hype has been constantly jamming down their throat, but that's kind of sad if it happens with a player on one's own team.

We all should try enjoy the ride regardless of the surrounding noises.

 

Don't think they'll ever be a truce until either Francis stops the Yao freeze out or Yao moves on to another team. My money is Yao moving on will come first.

 

know why people dislike Yao only fans?

After a big win, "everyone" is happy and proud, ....... someone pops the question "Why isn't Yao getting enough shots?"

After a disappointing loss, with Yao having a monster game with 30,20,5.... someone pops "At least Yao is getting 30"

I bet Yao-only fans would take a 50 points night from Yao over a win.

By the way, I am a Yao fan and I feel that he's not getting enough touches but I'll take a win over a loss any day.

 

Francis playing within the system, scoring, rebounding, and doing the things that he good at, will = more Steve Fans.

Simple.

Francis quote about the Bulls...

Francis said. ``They (Bulls) play too much individual ball. I think that helped us a lot by them being selfish and not passing the ball to one another. You are not going to win if guys think about themselves more than the team, and that's what it looked like they were doing out there.''

The Bulls look like we did LAST YEAR. Francis is doing the right things.

 

I concur. But look at Laker these days including tonight. It takes both Kobe and Shaq going before they could win even without so many other all stars.

We certainly have room to keep two superstars. Then why shouldn't the fans space their mind to co-exist.

 

Ming's talent is going to be wasted if he teams up with a bunch of childish, ungrateful, selfish and overrated street ball players who failed to make the playoff for 4 straight seasons and were so pathetic and almost forgotten by the city until Ming showed up last year.

If you are reading this , Ming, think about it and come to NY or LA after next season. Stop being humble or nice and be responsible for youself..man.