I believe Tinsley got on Carlisle's bad side before the season even started. If I'm not mistaken, Tinsley has bad practicing habits - but that's strange considering how I remember he joined camp in tip-top shape this past summer. As for Sheed, I think they would re-sign him. Like I said, JVG is a HUGE HUGE fan of Wallace's. I'm sure he'll make Wallace feel very comfortable and instill some confidence back into him. Aside from that, him and Mobley are buddies from back in Philly. He'd have more shots here, and wouldn't have to play second fiddle to Zach Randolph - just his buddy and the most unselfish franchise player in the league. I think with our environment, he can really get his act together. I mean, can you imagine a Sheed/Yao frontcourt duo? His passing skills are overlooked - he's right there with Robert Horry. As for Stoudamire, I know exactly what you mean. He's a Rocket killer, however, just the other day I saw one game. Then I followed his games for a while and took a look at his numbers and thought to myself "Damn, his ass/to ratio is great, he shoots a nice % from the 3, and better than Steve from the field". The whole Sabonis thing is a bonus - remember that UNSTOPPABLE pick n roll they had going? That was a joy to watch. It makes sense on all counts for us, and I believe Portland would do it - no one else will give them an All Star for Sheed. However, the Rockets just cut Griffin for bad behaviour - would they be willing to take on Sheed and Stoudamire and what kind of message would that send to the players and the league?
Because Stoudamire and Francis aren't comparable in terms of talent. Steve is much younger, makes less money, has more room for growth, and is just overall a better player than Stoudamire right now. It's just that his skill set doesn't match the Rockets system as much as Stoudamire. This, to me, is essentially Francis for Sheed first. No one else will give them an All Star for Sheed - and Francis has a clean record. Then it's cap space and one of our players for Stoudamire. 7M immediate cap space has its obvious benefits (they could even turn around and trade it right?), while they would definietly require a backup at the 4/5 right now: Dale Davis/Boumtje Boumtje Zach Randolph/????? maybe Ruben Patterson Their only decent frontcourt players are Davis and Randolph, both of whom are natural PF's. I believe they'd take Cato over Mo seeing as how he makes less money, is clean (always important), and plays C. GATER, who else will take Sheed AND Stoudamire off their hands and give them an All Star back?
I too would love to have Sheed over here.. heres so versatile. Hes playing the 3 in Portland right now! he kind of reminds me of Eg.. body and playing style. anyways.. I would do that trade.. SF for Sheed Cato for Damon PG - Damon/ Wilks SG - Mobley/ JJ SF - Pike/ Boki PF - Rasheed/ MoT C - Yao/ Amaechi Sounds like a monster line up to me.. am I forgetting anyone? that would dump some big contracts and I might throw in Moochie just for the hell of it.. think of it as an early X-mas present! hahaha but man we would have some small PG's. J but it make sense for everyone.. Gives Blazers Cato and high scoring PG in Francis.. (sounds like WIN WIN to me)
Man...Rox getting a bunch of losers from that trade...I DON'T LIKE THAT AT ALL. Rox should make a trade with a team that has high quality players and are in turmoil...like the Blazers. They should trade Francis+Cato for Wallace and Staudamire. They should do whatever to get Wallace, he and Yao is going to form the identity of the team. Earlier I suggest the Rox should get Bonzi Well while he's in trouble...and guess what??? The Grizzlies took him and they only had to give up a bunch of so-so players.
I'm thinking about the lottery for the next 4 years. I understand Butler but Howard? and Jones and Tinsley? they minus well sit out the whole season with that line up.
Stoudamire and wallace? so ya'll suggesting that the rockets should get a weed smoking past his prime point guard and another weed smoking underachiever in wallace. Plus they bring excess baggage to our team. No thanks.
Sane - Some conversational points... 1) Francis is not cheaper than Stoudamire the way I look at it. Stoudamire has 2 years @ ~ $30m. Francis has 6 more years and $70+m. 2) The Blazers (after Damon expires in 2005) currently only have $16m in committed salaries. Francis and Cato raise that to $37m. IOW, no major FA money in 2005 in spite of losing Sheed and Stoudamire's big contracts. 3) Do Portland's fans have any negative connotations to the end of the game trash talk between Francis and Qyntel Woods and resultant shoving match with McInnis? Probably not but worth mentioning in passing. 4) Does POR view Francis as complimentary to the designated player they are going to rebuild around - Zach Randolph? I just don't see this as a "slam dunk" from Portland's perspective. Not saying it could't or wouldn't happen, but I can see some stick points...and I'd have to think about what other offers Rasheed may net. Not that Kenyon Martin is equal to Francis, but we did hear at least that much last summer regarding a value for Rasheeed.
I don't think it matter much. It's the talents you want and with change of team, who knows they probably change their behaviors too cuz they're in a different environment and different situation.
Smeg, I think hes in the dog house because he cant shoot. Check out this quote from JVG, which basically eliminates the possibility of aquiring Tinsley: Rockets coach Jeff Van Gundy said that point guards have to be able to shoot because of the rules that allow zones. "You can't put out non-shooters," Van Gundy said. "Then you're too easy to guard. You're playing four on five . You got to have guys who know when to shoot, and when to pass, know when to drive and know when to shoot. That's why being a smart player, particularly in this time of the new rules, is so critical. I don't think coaches have a problem with guys shooting the ball. It's when they don't make the correct decisions of when to shoot or when to pass. "More so now, there has to be an emphasis on guys who have a high basketball IQ, who can pass, and who can shoot. You used to be able to space the floor . . . through the rules or through shooting. Now you can only space the floor . . . through your shooting." IMO, Carlisle doesnt hate Tinsley, and Tinsley is not in the doghouse. Tinsley's presence on the court allows teams to zone down on O'Neal more. Which is the same problem we would see with Yao if Tinsley was our PG. I like Tinsley, but in limited backup minutes.
Yeah, I figured it wouldn't work exactly $$$, but that's the meat of what I meant. The players in addition from houston's side would be throw ins anyway. Toss in Meech and JJ, Boki or Pike(one of which would become redundant with the addition of the swingmen returned in the deal)to what I said, or magically convince them to take on Mooch's contract. I'm not so concerned with the cap specifics since it wont happen anyway, just the talent for talent and overall cap implications for the rox. The only time i put down "trade accepted" are in joke posts.
I agree with your JVG quote and the reason for why we shouldn't aggressively go after Tinsley, but imo, Brewer and Johnson aren't such good shooters that they deserve time ahead of Tinsley. It's not like he doesn't have some good qualities which should justify some backup minutes at least. I think he is in the doghouse for some reason(mebbe character, mebbe practice, but not solely on his jumper), but he's obviously not the great distributing pg people claim he is or Carlisle would not be able to get away with giving him almost nil minutes.
CK, Yeah, that puzzled me too. Anderson has always been a pretty decent shooter, so I understand him over Tinsley as the starter. Not sure why Tinsley cant hold onto a backup role though. Perhaps Tinsley was abrasive when he found out he lost his starting job??
Wallace would give the team the offensive spark it needs, but I wouldn’t be willing to part with Francis for him. Given the latest rumor of Illgauskas for Rasheed, I don’t think the Rockets would necessarily need to give up Yao, Steve, or Cuttino for him. Portland wants to dump Rasheed. They’re counting the days until he leaves. If the Rockets could offer something for Z, Rasheed would be theirs. Judging by Cleveland’s latest trade with Boston, I think the Rockets would be a logical trading partner. 1.) Cleveland wants to shed salary 2.) They need defense because they are one of the worse defensive teams in the league 3.) They’re willing to give up more talent to get some quality role players to surround LeBron with. I think this would be a nice trade that would help all 3 teams. Illgauskas (14m) + I.Newble (2.5m) to Portland Cato (8m) + J.Jackson (2.5m) + (6m) Exception to Cleveland Wallace (16m) to Houston
Fair enough but neither Brewer and Johnson can shoot and futhermore neither can Mooch.... what can he do again?? btw anyone else think Brewer looks like TeenWolf??
Hmmmmmmmmmm, very interesting. I'd do that deal. I don't know if Cleveland would though. I think Portland would. And if Rasheed wants to walk, we can jump in the Kobe sweepstakes????? Ahhhhh, we can dream, can't we?
