Yao already gets called for cheap fouls on defense. This will not change. On offense though, he'll go to the line a lot more often. I can't comment on this since I don't remember if refs called the game tighter after Hakeem got into shoving matches. I find it hard to belive the refs wouldn't call a tighter game after such an incident though. Like I said before, I can't remember. From what I see, refs call the games much tighter after 2 players gets into a confrontation. You obvious don't see it. There is really no point to continue our discussion if you don't see it. Ok. You don't have to be sorry though. I am not offended. It was a suggestion, I feel it will work, you do not. No big deal. Lastly, Codell. I have gotten into another discussion with you in another thread(Artest case?). I find it very difficult to carry on a debate with you. I feel you are very stubborn, and like someone else said, you do let you emotions get in the way of your points. I don't mean this in any insulting way. It's just that I find it hard to argue with you, even if you are correct.
Your theory won't ONLY work one way. If the game gets tighter, and Yao will get more calls on offense, then hell also get called more on defense. To say, well "he already gets cheap fouls on defense" doesn't mean he won't get called for more. Thats why your theory is highly flawed. I never said I don't see it. I see your theory working both ways. If Yao gets more calls on offense, hell get called more on defense. I feel the same way about you. I feel you propose, what I feel, are silly theories and examples to prove a point that has no basis. Again, please name me one player in NBA history who benefited from getting Ts and taunting other players and maybe Ill reconsider my position on your theory. However, I feel its pretty unfair for you to call me stubborn when you are the one proposing such an abnormal style of play for Yao that has no basis for actually working to his benefit. The fact of the matter is a) Yao is slow. Slow players tend to get caught out of position and move at the last moment on D and get called on it. b) Yao is not agressive. Passive players don't have a history of getting preferential treatment from the refs. The whole theory of "the refs hate Yao" is just a knee jerk reaction people give when things don't go Yao's way. Yes, the refs miss calls on Yao. I just happen to think it has more to do with Yao's style than it does with him as a person.
Codell, Lets just drop our discussion. We see eachother as stuborn individuals, we willl not get anywhere. lol. No hard feelings?
So you aren't interested in people offering counter points to your theory? Should have just said that in your opening post. whatever though hopefully youll be able to name at least one single player that has benefited by your theory good luck
I do. But until your last couple of posts, It's been near impossible to reply to you. Let me first state what I think is our main difference. We do agree that refs call the game tighter after such an incident. However, you don't think a tightly called game helps Yao, but I do. You think the calls Yao would get on the offensive end will be offset by the additional calls on him at the defensive end, thus he doesn't benefit. I feel Yao already gets raped by refs on both ends, but especially on the offensive end. A tightly called game will benefit him. Please don't ask me to name another player that benefited from this. I have already said twice I can't. I'm suggesting for this for Yao, not boki or Tmac or iverson or anyother player...... A tightly called game does not benefit one player if they've been treated somewhat fairly by refs to begin with. However, my point is, Yao gets called very tightly on defens, but called very loosely on offense. After the incident, both offense and defense will be called tightly. Since Yao's been called tightly on defense to begin with, the difference on the offensive end should benefit him.
So ...again ....your theory says that although Yao is usually already in foul trouble, that a tightly called game will benefit him .....by calling more fouls ...but only while he is on offense and ONLY in his favor, while continuing to call it the same while he is on defense since they already call it tight on him on defense ...which means, they can't possibly call it any tighther than they already do while he is on D you seem to also claim the refereeing is not unbiased, thus somehow, Yao pissing the refs off, will bring them back to his side ...making them, unbiased is that right?
Clove, you should stand up more for your opinion! Codell thinks your "Theory" is silly but I don't see him offer any other suggestions other than stating that Yao is a slow player. Do not get into a debate with anyone who is not debateable, it's a one way monologue. Yao has legit problems with the freaking refs, if anyone here refuse to acknowledge that, well... that's another story. We are screwed (Yao haters feel free to chime in) as Rox fans if Yao is being treated like this by the freaking refs. What you're proposing are not bad Clove! I like to add some more to it. Van Grumpy has to stick up for Yao now, start earning some ejections, go to the press and whine like Phillips used to do for Shaq. CD needs to compile a tape and send it the NBA front office, Les needs to get his sorry azz involved also like Cuban used to do or is doing it now. Other players need to back Yao also, a few well thrown elbows or shoves when the other goons are abusing Yao. What I'm getting at is : it's a total team effort to help Yao, the success of our team depends on it.
I think he needs to ask santa for a pair of HUGE HAIRY BALLS for christmas! Yao needs to get more physical and agressive. no one will respect him until he does.
Yao needs to avoid physical contact offensively and defensively on the road. I've seen Jeckyll and Hyde when referees handle Yao. This means that JVG will need to limit Yao's feet movement on defense. If Yao isn't moving his feet that much, the refs cannot call a foul on Yao too much. Also, Yao will need to regain his jumpshot which will allow him to become a much more effective roleplayer. I also still think the Rockets as currently composed are a better uptempo team than half-court team. The offense should not be run through Yao until he gets his damn elbow brace off, and this team is a better shooting team.
I hear what you are saying, but if Yao avoids contact most of the time and plays a finese game, his oponents know it, the refs know it, then of course the few times a game he does make contact in a game its going to stand out and everyone will notice. You can say it isnt in his nature and make up a load of excuses for him, but the fact of the matter is, if he doesnt use his size or strength to his advantage then he will never play to his full potential. He doesnt have to throw bodies around and beat everyone up, he just has to take care of himeself and let everyone know that they cant f@ck with him
Yes. My argument is Yao already does get called tightly on defense. The confrontation would not change that. On offense however, he won't get abused like he does now. I don't see your point here. If you are going to repeat what I said, please don't put words in my mouth. I never wanted Yao to piss off the refs. If by "not unbiased" you meant unbiased, then please re-read what I wrote earlier. I consider the refereeing on Yao now extremely biased. I believe a confrontation would force them to call a more unbiased game, thus benefitting Yao. If you would like to continue this discussion, please use less roll eye responses, it's frustrating especially when you are repeating what I said. You are not making any points by repeating my statements. Thanks.
Thank you generalthade_03. I had another discussion with him a while ago, I found it impossible. It probably was not fair calling him stubborn. It is very frustrating to debate with undebatable people, I brought it on myself this time.
It's not like Yao is physically strong enough to handle hacks to the arms that will jar the ball loose. If Yao was Shaq-like strong, then it would be a different matter. Look at Brad Miller. At least Brad Miller understands that he's a white guy playing in a league full of stronger black guys. Brad Miller has got that jumper down pat. Let's not confuse height with strength. Height aka Shawn Bradley doesn't mean Shawn Bradley is the strongest man in the world. If you're a non-black player in the NBA, you better have a jumper. Let's not kid anyone here.
How wouldn't it? You are making an argument that a confrontation, that Yao initiates, where Yao is the agressor, will benefit him, because only his opponent will suffer from the biased refereeing. It makes no sense. If history says anything, it says the agressor is the one who will be penalized more often with regards to confrontations. You never wanted Yao to piss of the refs. What exactly is the following supposed to do, make them happy? "swinging elbows with intent to hurt, or start a confrontation. That's right, go right up to the player, use his chest to give him a very hard bump, stare hiim down, talk some trash in any language, make the refs and players break it up. Getting a T is worth it, if it comes to that." Again, I ask .....how is Yao pissing off the refs going to make them more unbiased towards his favor, especially given that talking trash, swinging elbows with the intention of hurting someone and in general, taunting the opposition usually will, in fact, cause you to fall out of favor with the refs? Ive not used roll eyes in any of my reponses to you. BTW ..im making points, by making points .....nice of you to pick and choose what you feel my responses are because they don't fit your theory
How funny you call me stubborn and undebatable when a law student and lawyer confirmed that what I original said was basically, right, despite your pie throwing examples.
Anyone can tell just from a few games this season that the NBA has got two rules for officiating with Yao. It's the home rules and the road rules. The fact is Yao gets a whole bunch of calls his way at home. It's just opposite on the road. I've seen it. Everybody sees it. Maybe it's a deal with Les Alexander. Les Alexander wants to keep the seats filled so he made a deal with the NBA to make sure Yao does well at home. This means the payment is for Yao to get hosed on the road. Yao needs to get a jumper in order to minimize the referee bias on his game.
