So much of what is being said sounds so much like what was said during the Viet Nam years. History repeating
I agree, but the genocide was ongoing and we would have been justified on those grounds, had we used them. But we were asked to defend our allies. Anyway it was worse than just not accepting refugees, Henry Ford was giving out his own book claiming that scientifically jews were inferior with every car he sold. The problem as much if not more than Hitler's plans were others not standing up and doing something about rampant anti-semetism. Had people stood up to that early on it wouldn't have mattered what Hitler planned. Even if he had been only in Germany that Hitler's scehemes were put into action it would have greatly reduced the loss of life. And the discrimination didn't just happen all at once. There were little bits that accumulated. That is why when people rankle when Ann Coulter's racism is written off as a harmless joke. If it isn't stopped we've seen the kinds of things that can happen. It starts small. It never starts with the big things.
My assertions were factual and clarified. The need changes with the situation. It is a limited mind that has only one solution for every problem or level of problem.
There is something to that but by far they're looking to turn the Muslim World against us and to recruit whether the DNC says anything that won't change the fact that they have used the incidents at Abu Ghraib and Gitmo for that. It sounds to me like you would prefer people to cover things like that up rather than deal with it in the open.
To the opponents of the war, Abu Ghraib is the gift that keeps on giving. The extent to which it is gleefully cited by opponents of the war is itself sadistic.
I'm not so sure about that considering we aligned ourselves to a even bigger murderer in Joseph Stalin. The difference was that Stalin wasn't threatening our traditional allies. I've been studying up some more lately about WWII to write a historical novel as a side project. The more I learn about it the more morally murky WWII becomes. I still think Germany and Japan had to be fought and we were on the side of right but there's a lot of things about it that don't make it as absolutely clear cut as most people portray it as.
I would prefer that they be dealt with in the proper context, not they be ignored. The proper context does not include equating Abu Ghraib and Gitmo with Nazi concentration camps, Soviet Gulags, or the killing fields of Pol Pot.
Telling the truth about deeds that were done, isn't what hands them propaganda victories. Those victories are handed to them when the deeds are committed in the first place. It is simple... Don't torture, murder, rape people, hold them without trial, deny them access to a lawyer or their families, and there won't be any stories about it helping the enemies in any possible way. It is like saying that children wouldn't be punished for stealing if only their teachers didn't tell their parents. Telling the parents isn't the problem, the children stealing in the first place is the problem.
And who's fault is that? War opponents didn't create Abu Ghraib. If there had been better oversight and command Abu Ghraib might not have happened. I'm against the invasion and think too much is made of Abu Ghraib sometimes but that doesn't mean it should be covered up or largely ignored. IMO it is good for the military that it is an issue because its an example for what happens when discipline breaks down and how that can be used as a recruiting and motivational tooly by the enemy. Also as a democratic society with a military under civillian control accountability is essential.
Check out Studs Terkel's book The Good War. It is fascinating. Look up the term "premature anti-fascist."
I'm not saying that is why we went to war. I agree with you on that. I am saying that we would have been justified with going to war on those grounds. Yes Stalin did kill more than Hitler, but you are correct he wasn't threatening our allies.
I agree that Senator Durbin's statements were overboard but unfortunately politicians like D & D posters are prone to hyperbole.
The Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.) and Ron Paul (R-Tex) and the Insurgents want us out of Iraq. How's that?
It was published at least 15 years ago, maybe more. It is essentially an oral history of WW II. You can definitely find a used copy on Amazon. Here's some of the reviews- From the Back Cover "A work of remarkable power and sensitivity...deeply moving and profoundly important...Studs Terkel has produced a work that is not only his finest oral history to date, but also the richest and most powerful single document of the American experience in World War Two I have ever read."--Alan Brinkley, The Boston Globe "I promise you will remember your war years, if you were alive then, with extraordinary vividness as you go through Studs Terkel's book. Or, if you are too young to remember, this is the best place to get a sense of what people were feeling."--Garry Wills, Chicago Tribune Book World "Tremendously compelling, somehow dramatic and intimate at the same time, as if one has stumbled on private accounts in letters long locked in attic trunks...Mr. Terkel's book gives the American experience in World War Two great immediacy...In terms of plain human interest, Mr. Terkel may well have put together the most vivid collection of World War Two sketches ever gathered between covers."--Loudon Wainwright, The New York Times Book Review "Incontestably one of the great human documents of all time. It has the essence and cumulative force of a hundred powerful war novels, without drawing on a single word of fiction. Among major historians Terkel is now in orbit all by himself, world class."--Norman Corwin
