A simple poll - Did Roger Clemens take Steroids/HGH

Back during the David Carr era, didn't you (and I) make assumptions (that got us in trouble with Ric ) about what other players might think about David Carr based on their comments to the media stuff? Why was it OK to form opinions based on media comments that you interpreted without having them fleshed out in a court of some sort?

 

1. Today was entirely about Roger. That's it. It was the back and forth of he said/he said. That was it. There was scant mention of anything regarding the impact of this on the game, on children or on the nation. Waxman started off specifically saying: "this isn't a trial...it's about protecting kids and public health." I saw nothing to suggest it was anything but an inquiry into whether one man did steroids.

2. To make this judgment is to call a man a perjurer. I think that's different that determining in the first 5 minutes if I like someone.

 

Because the implications were nowhere near the same.

 

Oh I don't have a problem with people not forming an opinion about it or saying McNamee is a less-than-credible witness. However, I don't understand those people saying that it's unfair to Clemens or whomever if other people form opinions on it.

 

So now it's not bad to form an opinion - just if that opinion has some kind of big implication? What are the implications here? What does me thinking less of Clemens do to him? At worst, if a mass of people do it, it takes away from his legacy - a legacy that was given to him by us in the first place, and also formed without everyone knowing the all the facts behind it.

 

It's not OK. I *didn't* form an opnion back then. I was very clear--over and over and over again--that I had not arrived at that conclusion but only wondered aloud about it. I never arrived at that conclusion, and my very heated (and oft repeated) argument with Ric following that was for his acting as though I had. "I wonder if" or "I think we might" is far different from "he did it! The rat!"

 

1. But you made this judgment before you knew the full content of the hearings today. You made it based on your assumptions of what might happen.

2. Take out the Congressional part of it - you were arguing against this long before Congress decided to get involved yet again. At that point, it was just about what we all thought of Clemens.

 

I think Clemons took them. He's denying it because he knows that McNamee or anyone else can't prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he used them.

Does anyone understand why Clemons thought Pettite would tell him if he thought he used HGH, because they were that close, when he didn't know about Pettite's prior use?

 

Pettitte's and Knoblauch's verification of McNamee's testimony regarding them seals it for me.

Why would McNamee tell the truth about Andy and Chuck and make stuff up about Roger?

 

I don't think the value of his memorabilia has anything to do with it. It has more to do with not wanting to believe something this horrible against someone you may look up to.

 

Can we send this jerk off back to Ohio where he is from, I'm so tired of him claiming Houston as his hometown

 

Well, I know at least two of us hold no special places in our hearts for Roger Clemens. I held my nose and rooted for him when he was an Astro, but I haven't been a fan of his since I was a kid.

 

I know. Still wanted to make the point that the support or lack off for an accused has alot to do with bias.

 

My opinion is that neither Clemens nor McNamee are being completely honest.

Other than that, I still don't think there's enough solid evidence to suggest he took steroids...or didn't.

 

I don't agree it backfired. But it was a waste of time for Clemens. It did nothing for him or his image.

I think it raised alot more questions about McNamee, but the Knoblauch/Pettitte corroboration of McNamee's accusations seals the deal for me.

 

While I am not ready to convict Clemens based on the Salemesque "evidence," I have a hard time believing that he wasn't on something stronger than B12.

 

Well I guess what we do know for sure is that while Roger was with the Astros, Debbie Clemens got a shot of HGH in the butt while in the bedroom of their house in Memorial. Personally, I could give a rat's ass about her or his steroid use. The lying, especially if under oath, is a different story however.