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A Running Tally of the Outlandish and Unsubstantiated Claims made by the Trump Administration

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by dharocks, Mar 13, 2017.

  1. dharocks

    dharocks Contributing Member

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    I'm going to keep it to claims made since the inauguration (01/20/17):

    Jan. 21, 2017: Sean Spicer falsely claims that the crowd on the National Mall during Trump's inauguration was “largest audience to ever witness an inauguration" (WSJ link)

    Jan. 24, 2017: Without evidence, Trump tells lawmakers 3 million to 5 million illegal ballots cost him the popular vote (FoxNews link)

    Jan. 25, 2017: In an interview with ABC News, Trump doubles down on his campaign promise that Mexico will pay for the wall, stating "that wall will cost us nothing." However, on Jan. 6 Trump's transition team had signaled that his preference is to fund the wall through the appropriations process, and according to a draft plan drawn up by the Office of Management and Budget, the current plan is for the wall to be funded through significant cuts to the Coast Guard, the Transportation Security Administration, and FEMA (Chicago Tribune link)

    Jan. 27, 2017: Trump falsely claims that two people were fatally shot in Chicago during an Obama speech on January 10. This never happened.

    Jan. 31, 2017: In defending GOP obstruction of Merrick Garland, Spicer claims that no president had ever nominated a justice so late in his term. This is false.

    Jan. 31, 2017: In a meeting with pharmaceutical executives, Trump accuses China of devaluing its currency and damaging the dollar. According to estimates by the Treasury Department, from August 2015 to August 2016, China has sold more than $570 billion in foreign currency (attempting to prevent the Yuan from depreciating further).

    Feb. 5, 2017: In an interview with Bill O'Reilly, Trump claims (without evidence) that sanctuary cities "breed crime". Analysis of FBI data suggests no such thing.

    Feb. 6, 2017: Without evidence, Trump tweets that all negative polls are 'fake news'

    Feb. 6, 2017: Following a Feb. 3 tweet in which Trump, without evidence, accused those demonstrating against him of being paid protesters, Spicer appears on Fox and Friends and reiterates (without providing evidence) that those protesting Trump's travel ban were being paid to do so (FoxNews link)

    Feb. 7, 2017: During a meeting with US Sheriffs, Trump falsely claims that the US murder rate is the highest it's been in 45+ years.

    Feb. 10, 2017: Without evidence, Trump claims in a meeting with Senators that thousands of out-of-state voters were bussed into New Hampshire to illegally vote on election day, costing Kelly Ayotte her seat. (Chicago Tribune link)

    Feb. 16, 2017: Trump falsely claims largest electoral win since Reagan (Obama won by larger margins in both 2008 & 2012)

    Mar. 4, 2017: Without evidence, Trump accuses Obama of personally ordering an illegal wiretap of Trump Tower

    Mar. 12, 2017: Without evidence, Trump's budget director accuses Obama of having manipulated job numbers

    As of the creation of this thread, Donald Trump has been President for 50 days.

    I miss anything?
     
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  2. hlcc

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    From the top of my head:

    Mexico will pay for the wall.
    China is artificially keeping the CNY below market value.
     
  3. dharocks

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    Thanks, added to the list.
     
  4. FranchiseBlade

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    It depends on how detailed you want to get. There were several other lies that went along with the inauguration lie. The Trump folks claimed they used magnetometers which is false. They claimed it was the first time that the grass coverings were used which is also false.

    Then there are multiple lies to go along with the health care.
    Trump claimed that his plan would expand coverage for people battling addiction and mental health.
    Trump claimed nobody would be worse off with his health plan.

    So one issue can have many lies that go along with it.
     
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  5. bigtexxx

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    need some fact checking here! Many of these aren't finished, and some twisting of words...

    libs gonna lib in their echo chamber
     
  6. sirbaihu

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    So do some fact checking then.
     
  7. dharocks

    dharocks Contributing Member

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    Nope.
     
  8. adoo

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    he said that everyone will be covered and at less cost.

    the OMB may be releasing their analysis / summary of Trump/Ryan Care, insofar as the cost and coverage.
     
  9. bigtexxx

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    yep - many of your sources are the Washington Post. Lack of credibility. e.g., the inauguration included viewers on the internet/tv. the Mexico wall could still be funded by Mexico after initially paid for by us. Typical half-facts and incomplete reporting from biased sources

    NEXT
     
  10. NewRoxFan

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    Curious, which of these lies are not finished yet? And which are the result of word twisting? And the remaining ones are simply outright lies? Sure seems the list is well-documented and supported, so curious what "alternative facts" you will bring to Trump's defense?
     
  11. NewRoxFan

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    Trump's claim was regarding those in attendance. He even attempted to show photographic proof. And Mexico's government has already clearly stated they will not pay for a wall, now or in the future. So unless you have something that shows how Trump will get this paid by mexico against their wishes (eg. Trump will deploy pickpockets at the border) its still a lie on Trump's part.
     
  12. dharocks

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    Until that happens, it remains an unsubstantiated and outlandish claim, especially given the Mexican response.

    Also, I've updated the OP to include links to traditionally right-leaning sources wherever the WaPo was linked.
     
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  13. bigtexxx

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    nope - half facts from you.
     
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    Go away Texx. They don't want you in this echo chamber.
     
  15. Nook

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    There really isn't much to debate.

    Political party leanings aside, Donald Trump is a compulsive liar and in a few months has managed to flat out lie more than most administrations did entire terms.
     
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    It doesn't matter. His constituents and supporters will still blindly support him and the GOP is putting ethics on a backseat due to the power struggle between parties. That's the sad part.

    Above all else, there should be an agreement to hold certain things we hold American and ethical on a pedestal above all else, regardless of party. But right now the GOP has decided it's ok to make that tradeoff and his supporters have become angry/fear mongers in an economic climate they can't control. The supporters got played and they're not going to be better off from it.

    A generation or two ago, even if there was a dispute between parties and beliefs, there were some things all citizens would agree upon as American or good for the people. Those times are no more.

    Meanwhile, countries like S.Korea peacefully had their President impeached after 6 months of demonstration. China is putting things into action like mandatory LGBT sex education, renewable energies, and a national conservation larger than Yellowstone.

    The US has always had one incredible selling point above other countries - the cultural and equality driven capital of the world. With this administration, they've completely let that go out the door while other countries prove their democracy and form of government works better.
     
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  17. sirbaihu

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    "need some fact checking here!" --bigtexxx
     
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    Wow, you couldn't be more wrong. The inauguration they said included in person. That was patently not true. The Washington Post is extremely credible.
     

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