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A rational look at our PG problem

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DrNuegebauer, Jul 3, 2008.

  1. Agentzero

    Agentzero Rookie

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    Mo williams is the best point guard in the planet , believe me.To tell ou the truth ,I'm not Mo's ,I am just Mo williams himself.No one else will exalt so much except himself. :eek: How i wish mo would work in houston,at least we will have another one more than clutch who can cheer up the audiences . :D
     
  2. Roxxx4life

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    I don't think anybody can really stop them night in and night out, but they can try to limit them offensively. Regarding Kirk Hinrich situation, I don't think he'll be much of an upgrade in our PG position, but he can be a good back up... But are you guys willing to him $10M for back up role?
     
  3. Agentzero

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    Hell Mo Williams ,who has played in the league for just 5 years ,we need a more experinced point guard who can handle the ball ,control the game ,and make 3 points attempts even though can't hit the target.Experince is more important than skills, especially in the playoffs.
    Then who is the PG we need ,he should be better than Rafer ,at least.After scanning the list of all the PGs in NBA,fortunately ,I have found a guy who make up all our requests.He is STPHEN MARBURY ,who may be the only point guard we can get ,i know deron and CP 3 are much better ,but i guess the GMs of hornets and jazz will never trade them nutil some problems bite the GMs' brains.However ,if there is no problem with knick's GM 's brain , this trade offer won't gonna be declined.


    Say goodbye to Tracy McGrady ,welcome Marbury to Houston Rockets. :D
     
  4. Roxxx4life

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    :eek: .. I hope you're not on crack
     
  5. Alvin Choo

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    Anyone seen Louis Williams play?

    I was looking for a PG that have stats at more than 10 points, 2 assists and shoots at better than .35 3p and .75 ft, other than the max players of CP3, DW, Kidd, Baron Davis etc, there is this player named thus.

    His young at 21, his stats have improve as his minutes increase and he stands at 6'2, 175 lbs, is a good size considering that he is still so young.

    2 assist to turnover suggest reasonable handles, last season is his third, so its almost time he have his breakout season. He played 80 games, so his not injure prone.

    And in the playoff, playing the pistons, he scored at least 9 points in all 6 games and all other stats he gets is on par with his season stats, which meant that he does not just get his points from weak East teams.

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willilo02.html
     
  6. rockets_fanatic

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    You don't have to have a all-star point guard to win a championship. You need a solid point guard who knows the offense and can shoot.

    Look at the Lakers and Celtics. Raja Rondo and Derek Fisher. Not great point guards like a Chris Paul or Steve nash. However they know the offense.

    Jackson and Rafer know the offense and Brent Barry has the ability to easily learn the offense.
    Lets not stress to much about our squad. We were good enough to get into the play-offs without Yao Ming for the last part of the season.

    Tweak the roster and stay healthy.
     
  7. ktvoss

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    Nobody said Rafer or Hinrich had a chance of stopping any of the top point guards in the west, the question is which one of these players would be better suited to match up with all those top points in the west as the Rockets point guard or again... Who would do better seriously Rafer or Kirk in this situation?
     
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    The Lakers have 3 stars and Bynum might become one too. The Celtics have 3 stars. The Rockets only have 2. This Rondo and Fisher argument makes no sense considering that.
     
  9. cmiller

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    Just watched some of his highlites. He'd be a great pickup, young, athletic, etc. I'm sure he would come relatively cheap although I have no idea what his contract status is.
     
  10. rockets_fanatic

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    So you are saying point guard is not the problem it is aquiring a third star?

    Great. We have two stars and point guards who know the offense. Thanks for supporting my argument.
    On to the next issue you brought up, being getting a third star.
     
  11. saleem

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    Barry was unfit for more 50% of the season. His primary role is a SG. Other teams aren't sitting around.Don't forget there is internal improvement with most playoff teams as well. Jackson isn't likely to be effective for more than 50% of the games even if he is fit.We will have to hope for improvement from AB0 so he can become a capable backup.

    Rafer will remain our main man. There are other needs too.We need players who can fit with the team and can be relied upon. Most of us are well aware that trading is going to be difficult even with expiring contracts and draft picks.We will have to rely on incremental improvement (tweaking).

    I don't think we can expect the Rockets to go beyond the 2nd round this upcoming season with a healthy squad.
     
  12. Alvin Choo

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    If the team is healthy, rox will not be 1st round casualty. Heck if tmac,battier, bjax, alston, landry and yao are all playing at 80% of what they shown during the 22 game streak, rox could and should have beat the jazz last season.

    And the outlook is looking better for next season, as of now, where trades are still going around, only hornets, spurs and lakers are better than rox. Which should give rox the 4th seed. While teams like clips and portland have catch-up. I cant see another rox-jazz matchup coming playoffs.

    As long as yao is not playing against a 3p shooting C, i take my chance with rox over any 7 game series.
     
  13. kjayp

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    sign and trade Landry+ Rafer + choice of Head or Head + next years 'free' #2 pick = Hinrich
     
  14. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Is he a free agent? He is very interesting......

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  15. fogo11606

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    You kidding me right?
     
  16. BimaThug

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    I don't understand how people on this BBS can be so brutal to Rafer, especially after the season he just had. Since January, he has been one of the better (top half) starting point guards in the league. For a team with a dominant center and a dominant wing player, that should be more than adequate for this team.

    Rafer has not been the problem for the Rockets. It has been the lack of quality depth at the PG spot. Alston is an above average (and quite underrated) defender. Even when Alston isn't hitting his shots, he is still very capable of handling the ball, getting the team into the offense and making the smart pass. Unfortunately, due to lack of depth at his position, Rafer has been forced to play many more minutes than would be optimum for him. Let's take a quick look at who has been Rafer's backup during his tenure as a Rocket:

    Moochie Norris - was already past his 15 minutes of fame when Rafer got there
    Rick Brunson - failed attempt to bring in a competent backup to take Moochie's place
    John Lucas III - showed a little promise in summer league but was too small for the NBA
    Vassilis Spanoulis - Greece's T-Mac flamed out quickly under JVG
    Luther Head - obviously NOT a point guard; can barely dribble the ball
    Mike James - couldn't shoot or pass well the second time around
    Steve Francis - too injured for team to see if he could return to prior form
    Aaron Brooks - is a project who, if he can overcome size limitations, could work out
    Bobby Jackson - past his prime and is more of a scorer anyway

    People (me included) look back fondly to the brief Bob Sura era. However, Bobby played alongside David Wesley, a former PG himself, as well as Jim Jackson, Jon Barry and Mike James (the first time around), all competent ballhandlers. Rafer has not had quite the same luxury and has had to average about 37 mpg with the Rockets, when something closer to 30-32 mpg would be ideal.

    Bottom line: While Rafer is obviously not a top-notch PG, he is far from inadequate for a starting PG on a team with great players at other positions. Finding a competent NBA-ready backup (or developing Brooks for THIS season) should alleviate some of the PG problem.
     
  17. carib

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    I say if we get a third scorer, we won't have to worry too much about Rafer being an average PG. We would however need a strong back up at the PG or hope that Brooks is ready to get more playing minutes.
     
  18. DrNuegebauer

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    Totally agree.

    The only way to actually upgrade Rafer is to take on a horrid contract (and that would probably cost us a decent player too...)

    Brooks' post All-Star break numbers are decent (nice shooting %s).

    Who knows - maybe Francis' knee being fixed might make some difference??
     
  19. carib

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    Francis is a competitor, if he is fully healthy he will try to steal the back up role from Jackson and Brooks. I would not right off Francis just yet!
     
  20. DrNuegebauer

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    Oh I agree with you - I think he's got a lot to offer.

    His last 4 games in NY (as starting PG on a bum knee) showed that he still had something in the tank. He never quite got it going with us last season - I'm holding out hope that he'll be fully fit come pre-season.

    Be great to see him back to even 70% effectiveness!
     

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