A rare McGrady Appreciation thread

Angkor Wat · Jul 18, 2009

flamingdts said:

You will only get a few people who supports the Rockets (not McGrady) believing he is at Kobe's level. You get just as much Yao fans throwing McGrady under the bus as McGrady fans.

However, the problem is it seems like whoever makes a valued judgement that isn't aimed at criticizing McGrady a lot of people (including you no offense) those people are immediately thrown in the "McGradywagon".

The point is, whether there is justification behind the arguement or not. Whoever supports this guy is immediately labelled a non-rocket fan, Hakeem Hater, 2-peat rocket team hater, supporter of drug legisation, rapist and Sonic defense.
Click to expand...

Yeah, this board has gotten pretty damn ridiculous. Just imagine if he have a losing season this year.

AntiSonic · Jul 18, 2009

flamingdts said:

You will only get a few people who supports the Rockets (not McGrady) believing he is at Kobe's level. You get just as much Yao fans throwing McGrady under the bus as McGrady fans.

However, the problem is it seems like whoever makes a valued judgement that isn't aimed at criticizing McGrady a lot of people (including you no offense) those people are immediately thrown in the "McGradywagon".
Click to expand...

Kind of like the way you guys immediately call anyone who doesn't drink the Kool-Aid a tmac hater?

Still keeping your list?

DaDakota · Jul 18, 2009

Blake said:

Dude, he didn't move without the ball. It's true.

As I stated before, I was a Tmac fan. I don't think he was responsible for his playoff failures on Orlando (they were overmatched every time and his supporting cast sucked) or Houston (he played well for the most part). I remember his effort in 05 and 06. I never said he was faking injuries in 07-08...Hell, I even gave him the benefit of the doubt for QUITTING on Orlando (something you have not mentioned when talking about forming an opinion of him...see, it was more than one game)

However, my opinion (MY opinion) is this as far as last season:

-Many people claimed he didn't rehab hard after knee surgery.
-Comes back without his knee 100% because of his slacking at rehab (coming from someone who has had major surgery, this isn't something you can half-ass) then immediately starts complaining.
-Allegedly kills lockerroom chemistry this season with his "no back to back games" and his attitude. Even Deke said when he came back that it was horrible in there. It changed afterwards...once Tmac was gone
-Decides to take a mid season break to finally get into shape and strengthen the knee...something that he should have done in the summer but apparently half-assed
-QUITS in the Toronto game (HUGE no-no for me...I disagree with your analogy...he is paid $300,000 per game...he didn't even give a little effort. Also, he isn't a 16 year old kid...he's a GROWN MAN and he has a history of quitting before this game)
-Then, when he hears his name in trade rumors, announces that he has to have microfracture surgery, even though team doctors and others have not agreed on that yet, which effectively KILLS his trade value and allows him to not to have to go to a crappy team). Also, I know he ended up getting the surgery, but he did NOT know 100% that it was necessary but decided to annouce it via the media (as in not informing the team about it), which screws us because it makes him untradeable.
-Does not play one lick of defense all season long despite his teammates giving their all on both ends of the court
-Complains, even though we are winning and trying to gel as a team, that he doesn't like the offense when it doesn't run through him
-Refuses to play off the ball at all. Stands around at the top of the key or beside the top of the key without moving while his teammates try to run an offense because it doesn't feature him predominantly. BTW, I have about 20 games tivo'd and he played in 3 or 4 of them and this is ABSOLUTELY the case
-Then throws his teammates under the bus by telling the media that if he had better players, he would have won championships.
-Tells the media that he had problems getting motivated last season, despite the fact that we trade for Artest and have, on paper, one of the most talented and deep teams in the NBA AND he makes $300K per game AND he is supposed to be a "franchise" player. I mean, this isn't like he was playing on a lottery team and sick of losing

The combination of all those things, plus his history beforehand (which I originally refused to believe), has made me dislike TMac. I will happily admit that he is very talented and had some great moments as a Rocket early on, but the combination of everything last season made me sick to my stomach.

Like I said, I USED to be a Tmac defender. His talent and flashes of brilliance blinded me to his lack of caring and heart. He just doesn't have that killer instinct and cares more about Tracy McGrady than he does the Houston Rockets. That I have a problem with....because I am a ROCKETS fan and when a locker room cancer screws the team over and cares about himself over the TEAM, then I want the cancer removed. May he never wear a Rockets jersey again...
Click to expand...

FRIGGEN REP EARNED !!

DD

raining threes · Jul 18, 2009

Blake said:

Dude, he didn't move without the ball. It's true.

As I stated before, I was a Tmac fan. I don't think he was responsible for his playoff failures on Orlando (they were overmatched every time and his supporting cast sucked) or Houston (he played well for the most part). I remember his effort in 05 and 06. I never said he was faking injuries in 07-08...Hell, I even gave him the benefit of the doubt for QUITTING on Orlando (something you have not mentioned when talking about forming an opinion of him...see, it was more than one game)

However, my opinion (MY opinion) is this as far as last season:

-Many people claimed he didn't rehab hard after knee surgery.
-Comes back without his knee 100% because of his slacking at rehab (coming from someone who has had major surgery, this isn't something you can half-ass) then immediately starts complaining.
-Allegedly kills lockerroom chemistry this season with his "no back to back games" and his attitude. Even Deke said when he came back that it was horrible in there. It changed afterwards...once Tmac was gone
-Decides to take a mid season break to finally get into shape and strengthen the knee...something that he should have done in the summer but apparently half-assed
-QUITS in the Toronto game (HUGE no-no for me...I disagree with your analogy...he is paid $300,000 per game...he didn't even give a little effort. Also, he isn't a 16 year old kid...he's a GROWN MAN and he has a history of quitting before this game)
-Then, when he hears his name in trade rumors, announces that he has to have microfracture surgery, even though team doctors and others have not agreed on that yet, which effectively KILLS his trade value and allows him to not to have to go to a crappy team). Also, I know he ended up getting the surgery, but he did NOT know 100% that it was necessary but decided to annouce it via the media (as in not informing the team about it), which screws us because it makes him untradeable.
-Does not play one lick of defense all season long despite his teammates giving their all on both ends of the court
-Complains, even though we are winning and trying to gel as a team, that he doesn't like the offense when it doesn't run through him
-Refuses to play off the ball at all. Stands around at the top of the key or beside the top of the key without moving while his teammates try to run an offense because it doesn't feature him predominantly. BTW, I have about 20 games tivo'd and he played in 3 or 4 of them and this is ABSOLUTELY the case
-Then throws his teammates under the bus by telling the media that if he had better players, he would have won championships.
-Tells the media that he had problems getting motivated last season, despite the fact that we trade for Artest and have, on paper, one of the most talented and deep teams in the NBA AND he makes $300K per game AND he is supposed to be a "franchise" player. I mean, this isn't like he was playing on a lottery team and sick of losing

The combination of all those things, plus his history beforehand (which I originally refused to believe), has made me dislike TMac. I will happily admit that he is very talented and had some great moments as a Rocket early on, but the combination of everything last season made me sick to my stomach.

Like I said, I USED to be a Tmac defender. His talent and flashes of brilliance blinded me to his lack of caring and heart. He just doesn't have that killer instinct and cares more about Tracy McGrady than he does the Houston Rockets. That I have a problem with....because I am a ROCKETS fan and when a locker room cancer screws the team over and cares about himself over the TEAM, then I want the cancer removed. May he never wear a Rockets jersey again...
Click to expand...

Preaching to the chior.

Some people just cant see T-Mac for what he is a Selfish lazy quitter.

T-Mac will be gone by the trade deadline.

Good riddance

tinman · Jul 18, 2009

flamingdts said:

You will only get a few people who supports the Rockets (not McGrady) believing he is at Kobe's level. You get just as much Yao fans throwing McGrady under the bus as McGrady fans.
.
Click to expand...

today

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=4661311&postcount=204

Tracy3McGrady#1 said:

Replace Kobe with Paul Pierce, Vince Carter, and Tracy McGrady and you get the same damn thing in LA, you're like 12 years old, you have absolutely no knowledge over the game of basketball, just stop typing.
Click to expand...

Tracy3McGrady#1 said:

McGrady rivaled Kobe up until '06 where he broke down with injuries. Actually LOL @ you stating Kobe is clutch, it's funny because in the playoffs when the game is drawn within the final 2 minute mark, Kobe's only scored 8 points, has dished out 1 assist, grabbed 2 rebounds, and has 3 turnovers, on only 25% FG shooting. YA LOL he's clutch alright.
Click to expand...

flamingdts · Jul 19, 2009

AntiSonic said:

Kind of like the way you guys immediately call anyone who doesn't drink the Kool-Aid a tmac hater?

Still keeping your list?
Click to expand...

Proved my point.

You're throwing me on the wagon when I have yet to claim McGrady is the next Jesus Christ or whatever.

I only support the Rockets, not one player. Yet somehow in your mind you seem to think anyone who refuses to call McGrady T-Cancer/T-bag/T-suck see McGrady as the guy carrying that cross up the hill.

Still think Stevie > God? Yeah I just put words in your mouth which you did not have in mind. Annoying isn't it?

tinman · Jul 19, 2009

Blake said:

Dude, he didn't move without the ball. It's true.

As I stated before, I was a Tmac fan. I don't think he was responsible for his playoff failures on Orlando (they were overmatched every time and his supporting cast sucked) or Houston (he played well for the most part). I remember his effort in 05 and 06. I never said he was faking injuries in 07-08...Hell, I even gave him the benefit of the doubt for QUITTING on Orlando (something you have not mentioned when talking about forming an opinion of him...see, it was more than one game)

However, my opinion (MY opinion) is this as far as last season:

-Many people claimed he didn't rehab hard after knee surgery.
-Comes back without his knee 100% because of his slacking at rehab (coming from someone who has had major surgery, this isn't something you can half-ass) then immediately starts complaining.
-Allegedly kills lockerroom chemistry this season with his "no back to back games" and his attitude. Even Deke said when he came back that it was horrible in there. It changed afterwards...once Tmac was gone
-Decides to take a mid season break to finally get into shape and strengthen the knee...something that he should have done in the summer but apparently half-assed
-QUITS in the Toronto game (HUGE no-no for me...I disagree with your analogy...he is paid $300,000 per game...he didn't even give a little effort. Also, he isn't a 16 year old kid...he's a GROWN MAN and he has a history of quitting before this game)
-Then, when he hears his name in trade rumors, announces that he has to have microfracture surgery, even though team doctors and others have not agreed on that yet, which effectively KILLS his trade value and allows him to not to have to go to a crappy team). Also, I know he ended up getting the surgery, but he did NOT know 100% that it was necessary but decided to annouce it via the media (as in not informing the team about it), which screws us because it makes him untradeable.
-Does not play one lick of defense all season long despite his teammates giving their all on both ends of the court
-Complains, even though we are winning and trying to gel as a team, that he doesn't like the offense when it doesn't run through him
-Refuses to play off the ball at all. Stands around at the top of the key or beside the top of the key without moving while his teammates try to run an offense because it doesn't feature him predominantly. BTW, I have about 20 games tivo'd and he played in 3 or 4 of them and this is ABSOLUTELY the case
-Then throws his teammates under the bus by telling the media that if he had better players, he would have won championships.
-Tells the media that he had problems getting motivated last season, despite the fact that we trade for Artest and have, on paper, one of the most talented and deep teams in the NBA AND he makes $300K per game AND he is supposed to be a "franchise" player. I mean, this isn't like he was playing on a lottery team and sick of losing

The combination of all those things, plus his history beforehand (which I originally refused to believe), has made me dislike TMac. I will happily admit that he is very talented and had some great moments as a Rocket early on, but the combination of everything last season made me sick to my stomach.

Like I said, I USED to be a Tmac defender. His talent and flashes of brilliance blinded me to his lack of caring and heart. He just doesn't have that killer instinct and cares more about Tracy McGrady than he does the Houston Rockets. That I have a problem with....because I am a ROCKETS fan and when a locker room cancer screws the team over and cares about himself over the TEAM, then I want the cancer removed. May he never wear a Rockets jersey again...
Click to expand...

Wow Blake,

I nominate this as the "HAMMER" post of this thread!

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/E2ts-73Tag4&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/E2ts-73Tag4&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

ThaBlackKnight · Jul 19, 2009

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=172082&page=14&pp=20

Check out post 270 by mdrowe00, he hit it right on the money...great analysis!

leebigez · Jul 20, 2009

Spacemoth said:

Dikembe Mutombo - Over $15,000,000 towards the construction of the Biamba Marie Mutombo Hospital in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

Yao Ming - Started with a $2,000,000 deposit into his Foundation for the earthquake recovery effort in China’s Sichuan and Gansu provinces.

Tracy McGrady - $70,000 so far (LINK) towards his foundation in support of Darfur refugees.

His salary in 2009-2010 alone - $23,239,561, tops in the NBA.

I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'. He's got some more ground to cover before he puts his money where his mouth is.
Click to expand...

Really this should be in the d&d. BTW, china is funding the arms in darfur. No one has said anything about that.

Aussie_Fozzey · Jul 20, 2009

Okay, okay, okay.
Everyone that has been a true Rockets fan has been on McGradys tip (meaning you've liked him) atleast once since he's joined the rockets. And everyone that has been a true Rockets fan has also in some way felt hatred towards McGrady. Last season was when i think the line was crossed when he pulled his "dissapearing act". The true rockets fans will see McGrady for what he is, the McGrady fans will see him for what he's not and people who are borderline McGrady and Rockets fans will also see McGrady for what he's not. McGrady is your typical hero and your typical villian. He's done alot to help the Rockets organisation and he's also done alot to damage us (e.g. his dissapearing act) What i see happening this next season, McGrady will feel like he's got somthing to prove and put up decent numbers. Thus meaning everyone may jump back on the McGrady wagon. But i guess we'll just have to wait and see.

SuperMarioBro · Jul 20, 2009

Aznoob said:

^This.

People need to get over themselves on this board. So what if he takes #3?

If Hakeem's jersey was not retired, and Yao chose to wear it because he donated 34 million dollars to helping with natural disasters in China, would you hate on Yao?
Click to expand...

Wait, what? McGrady is taking jersey #3? Where did he say that?

Forums

A rare McGrady Appreciation thread

Angkor Wat Member

AntiSonic Member

DaDakota Balance wins
Supporting Member

raining threes Member

tinman 999999999
Supporting Member

flamingdts Member

tinman 999999999
Supporting Member

ThaBlackKnight Member

leebigez Member

Aussie_Fozzey Member

SuperMarioBro Member

Share This Page

About ClutchFans

Rockets Content

Support ClutchFans!

A rare McGrady Appreciation thread

Angkor Wat Member

AntiSonic Member

DaDakota Balance wins Supporting Member

raining threes Member

tinman 999999999 Supporting Member

flamingdts Member

tinman 999999999 Supporting Member

ThaBlackKnight Member

leebigez Member

Aussie_Fozzey Member

SuperMarioBro Member

Share This Page

DaDakota Balance wins
Supporting Member

tinman 999999999
Supporting Member

tinman 999999999
Supporting Member