You should hire yourself an assistant to proof read because this is what you said. And this hatred by some black people is only furthering to fuel more racism towards some blacks. It's not a justification. It's the truth. Racism by anyone is simply bad. The fact that racism towards black people is considered *worse* only fans the fire. Hatred from blacks is furthering more racism towards blacks. It's the truth, here we go again with the truth that you can't substantiate. You've yet to show an actual example of black racism fueling white racism. Then here we go with racism towards black people is considered worse and that fans the fire. Racism by whites towards blacks in this country IS worse. That's not a thing that's considered, that's something that's verifiable and I've proven with data here in this very thread. Stop deluding yourself into thinking that the impact of black racism, which you've yet to show in any capacity, is in any way remotely on level with the impact of white racism. Racism isn't a cycle, your posts are a cycle. Around and around and around. You're one of the few people I've ever heard of who firmly encourages the use of race based generalizations and stereotypes and then has the audacity to claim it's not racist. WTF!?
Sexual preference is inherited and learned. Timing- You are right about I said black racism fuels more racism towards blacks. But I also said the opposite. You wont acknowledge that. I never said it comes from this. I understand the origins. Racism can cause more racism and I think it happens every day. I have pointed out why I think this, but you dismiss it all. You wanted examples of racism fueling racism and I gave them. And you shrug them off and call me naive, inane and stupid. Doesn't do much to change my opinion. Nothing I have said I think is true all the time in all cases, but I do think it happens. And I am trying to learn on this board but you're not teaching me anything. You yell at me, laugh at me, make jokes about me, and tell me I'm wrong, but you don't offer anything else. On this thread and others dealing with this subject, people have told me that "I am white so I don't know what I'm talking about." Please spare me that. That statement, by your definition, is racist. You assume that because I'm white, a racial distinction, I don't know something. At least Rokkit was talking with me calmly. He has made me examine my views and his. I do not feel that this topic is being dealt with rationally. And Lil Pun's friend did not deal with it rationally either. If he had, I don't know that we'd be having this discussion. If I say I don't see myself marrying a black man, you all would say it's racist and I disagree. In general, I find white men more attractive to me. But I do find some black men attractive and I have had great friends who were black. Black people share a history and a culture and I don't see myself fitting into that. I have dated guys in high school who were black, Indian, and Mexican. They were raised differently than I was and have different values. Is that wrong? I don't see myself marrying someone of a different religion for these same reasons. And I probably wouldn't marry someone who wasn't American for those same reasons as well. I don't want to be with women. I am looking for someone like me. If I happen to find that in someone I wasn't looking for it in, than great. But I have to rule some people out for reasons because I cannot sit down and interview every man on the planet to see which one I like best. I find I like a certain type of person. And I use *stereotypes and generalizations* to weed some people out. Sorry if you don't like it. You probably don't want to date or marry me then anyway (not that you did before). We're never all going to agree on this. If it offends you, tell the person who said it. If it doesn't, then it doesn't. I don't think yelling about it will help the case any.
HayesStreet: Wow. Nice slander post there, and nice job of lumping my posts to avoid a point-by-point rebuttal. You're so good at the point-by-point rebuttals, I actually expected another from you. I am disappointed. But that's OK. Frankly, I see no reason to get into an argument with you about this, as I didn't really even want to argue about the whole racism topic in the first place, and I know that your argument style mirrors my own (beat it until it's dead). You're overreacting, and that's not good. That is never good. You're seeing racism where none exists, and that is also never good. You're totally denying the issue of sexual preferences, and attributing to them racial preferences, and that can't help anything. Bottom line is, this guy said something stupid that was in reference to a sexual preference. Call him out for it, but don't hang the f*ing guy for it - we will all be much better off if these sort of vicious attacks stop. Jumping on the guy in such a radical fashion will only serve to drive him (and others) away from your point. You are aleinating those you wish to change. I didn't even really want to get into a racism debate, because I knew before hand that doing so would get me branded as a racism apologist by those with a strict and pervasive viewpoint on the matter. But I did, and here we are... I am going to do the wise thing, and bow out of this conversation before it gets really ugly. I have more to say, but... For the sake of not totally pissing off someone who might agree with me on other issues, I will stay my mouth. You win, HayesStreet. I do know when to call off a pissing match...
I think we should probably give you some more time to develop this, or explain it a little more, before a lot of people jump on you for it, as was my initial knee-jerk reaction.
Originally posted by Princess Timing- You are right about I said black racism fuels more racism towards blacks. But I also said the opposite. You wont acknowledge that. Prove it and I'll acknowledge it. I've shown how blacks are enrolled at Texas' two largest schools at 4 times less the rate they appear in population and you refused to find that conclusive so you'll have to forgive me if I don't take your word for it that white racism fuels black racism on any significant scale. In addition you've said that you're against affirmative action but would be for it if it worked. What do you call the current situation in Texas without affirmative action? I'd call it pretty screwed up myself. I also showed that there is a 98-2 white majority in the Senate and incidentally those two minorities are not black so the truth is that blacks have zero representation in the Senate, unlike women, and the black community is still feeling largely disenfranchised. I also pointed out numerous examples of exclusionary practices which have been overturned by law and you failed to acknowledge that in relation to why blacks get "special treatment" and how they seem to get better than equal. The reality is that they get far less than equal yet you'll not acknowledge it and want to point out every instance in which blacks are given an opportunity to close the gap, affirmative action for example. You have even said that I'm justifying racism against white people yet you can't show any impactful racism against white people other than your black sorority thing which again you fail to acknowledge that some sororities have whites only just like some predominantly black sororities allow other races. You posed this as if you were being discriminated against when in fact you just wanted to complain about it when it doesn't affect your life at all. You've further said that all racism is fueling all racism but again can't show any results from that. You want to have a rational discussion but don't want to bring any evidence to support your statements. If you want to have a rational discussion then stop using modifiers to no end in an attempt to find some modicum of truth. Anyone can sit here and say some people this and some people that and then just say it's their opinion. That's not getting anybody anywhere. Incidentally, someone was talking about Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton? Well they have appeared because of racism not to create more of it where it doesn't exist. When racism disappears Jesse will be right behind. It's not going to happen the other way around.
Prempeh - I think that was a confusing misquote of a quote that I made regarding Hayes, with a bit of Internet misjunglery thown in... We all make mistakes. A missed "
I actually think that if someone were to be so bold as to post more pics with big-boobed black ladies, this thread would calm down... Anxiously awaiting that bold soul to post the pics...
treeman--gotcha--that makes a little bit more sense. Thought you were going Reggie White on us there, Princess... That's what I get for skipping through to the last two pages, I guess.
Only if you're inclined to believe that any 20-year-old college student who gets backed into a wall by a bunch of PC-aggressive motherf*ckers because she wasn't perfect in explaining her views is a naive racist... Can you say *bully*? There are quite a few here. Princess's only sin was not explaining herself fully and adequately her first time around. And we all do that.
Agreed. Or, she types before she thinks, and we're all guilty of that. I think part of her "problem," if you want to call it that, is her nickname. It's very prissy and kind of makes me judge her before she posts. Half of her posts scream "I"m a prissy girl who is "intelligent" and I am not afraid to express my opinion. Oh, and please, someone feel sorry for me." Just my opinion. Maybe it's the alcohol talking.
Go to www.Texags.com. They had pictures of African-Americans in minstrel shows right after that controversial cartoon. I'm not kidding. I guess they are like that.
gr8-1: Let me start by saying that your response was far more useful than JohnnyBlaze's reply... But your link sucked. I was expecting big-boobed ladies, but you give me college football... You must be drunk. It's OK, I am too... Don't read too much into Princesses's online name. It's nothing. It shouldn't tell you "this must be a stuck up person I'm dealing with", or anything like that... Hell, what does my name tell you about me? Nothing. Think of it this way: If she's good enough for Lynus302, then she's good enough for me to get along with on a message board. That's not the way I think of it, but if you are having a hard time getting past the "Princess" thing, that might be one way to get over it... She's a good person. Like all of us, she sometimes represents herself inaccurately, and like all of us she accumulates dozens of posts explaining those inadequacies. No big deal. Just keep in mind that she's not really a racist (as seems to be the taste lately), and she's a good person, with a good head on her shoulders. Attribute the "incorrectness" you see coming from her occasionally to youth, if anything. The malice some people want to see just isn't there...
treeman, I think princess is harmless. I do believe that she is naive though. But whatever, I'm sure if I ran into her on the streets, she would be pleasant. I doubt you or I know what really goes on in her mind though. Ever wonder what is said about you when you aren't around? In a way, I think her attitude, whether that can be blamed on naivety, inherent notions, or horrible experiences is a microcosm of life in the psuedo-politically correct US in the 21st century. I love this country but it can be a real eye opener at times.
Man... gr8-1 - you really are drunk. As i said I am too right now, so... I can somewhat understand where you're coming from... I'd bet that if you ran into Princess on the street you wouldn't think that she was 1) naive, 2) stupid, or 3) prone to blabbering on an Internet board... You certainly would be better off not even trying to guess what's actually going on in her mind. My experience with that with women is that you are always wrong.... I like her attitude. I suspect that's one of the things Lynus likes about her, too. I like a woman with a bit of an attitude myself... (not a comeon) American women, what can you say? It's what sets a fine American woman apart from a fine Japanese woman... Just an intangible, I guess. She's cool.
