Timing, I'm guessing you've never really read my responses in previous threads like these. Because the direction you're trying to take this is waaaaayyy off base.
Eh? I think it's sad that you continue to defend racism by whites on the predicate that in some dreamed up scenario of yours, blacks might do the same thing. I also think it's incredibly naive of you to seriously believe that white people who refuse to date black people are doing so simply because they don't like the color.
I read your post and I understand your point and disagree that skin color is a personal preference as with hair color, butt size, or whatever. The personal preferences of non-skin color characteristics are different than this particular issue. No implications intended so I apologize if it sounded that way.
I'm not trying to answer for anyone; this is just my opinion. This is one guys preference, just like your friend had his preference. But I do think that you can be racist against your own race. But since I don't think the original statement was racist, I don't consider this one either. Timing- I think it's totally relevent to play role reversals. I think it's naive to not realize that some blacks do do the same thing. I'm not saying that holds for every case (which would be incredibly naive). But I do believe that people can prefer people of one race over another and not be racist. I don't see why it always has to be about more than that. Sometimes race is just race.
Sorry, I was talkin to little missy up there. Stuff's just happening fast and furious. Hey, has your friend ever said stuff like that before? Hard to tell where he's coming from with just that one comment.
And I believe your role reversal is terribly inadequate and simply serves as a justification for racism. Whites are the racial majority, not blacks. Whites have the history of racism towards blacks, not the other way around. If I were to admit that racism does exist from blacks to whites on a small scale then you'd be forced to admit it exists on a much much larger scale vice versa. Such a large scale in fact that the racism by blacks is so insignifcant that it's not even worth mentioning except for you to back up your support for racism.
No problem. Its just I spend most of my time in these threads trying to explain why something can have racist motivations to people when they can't see them, so to be accused of it (like I thought I was) was a little jarring. I believe that something like this can be racially motivated...but with just that quote that Pun offered, I couldn't see it that way. I offer this: I often find myself more attracted to Anglo women (brunettes in particular) than, say, Asian, Hispanic or African American. I am Hispanic. So...am I racist against my own race? Have I somehow been brainwashed to believe - by my own hispanic parents - that white women are better because they are a better race? And at the same time, I see beautiful Asian, Hispanic and African American women everyday (especially every so often at school) and find them attractive. Tyra is stunning (as is Salma.) I've seen on this board people mention how they just have a 'thing' for Asian women. I see your point -and as I often have to point out in other threads - race can motivate many different actions in this world. This is no different. But it does work the other way. In this instance, sometimes its just a matter of what you find attractive. And it doesn't mean you can't appreciate beauty in general, either. If this guy has shown some sort of racist opinions in the past, that's different. And if he isn't just generally not attracted to black women and there are much deeper reasons for it, that's different too. But the quote Pun offered just doesn't give enough reason to believe that.
Well I'm Hispanic too and I prefer brunettes too so there. I do think though there is a difference between being attracted to certain types of women and saying you won't date a particular race. I'd date anyone who I found attractive regardless of their race or hair color... it just so happens that brunettes catch my eye a little quicker. I don't intentionally exclude anyone as Lil Pun's friend seems to be doing. I think that's an important distinction when race is concerned.
Well he has made some iffy statements in the past. Like he listens to country music some of which is hard and has people using the n-word and he says it doesn't bother him because the music sounds good. He has said he has friends which use the n-word and it doesn't affect him. Those are two examples, does that help any? I'll try to remember if he made any others, we been friends for about 9 years so it's quite a long history.
Heh heh. You have good taste, too. I agree that it is an important distinction. But we have no way of knowing if this guy excludes everyone or not. For example, just because I find other women more attractive doesn't mean I don't find any Asian or African American women attractive at all. But like you said my preferences 'catch my eye' quicker and more often. And that would be something that, sooner or later, a person would come to realize. Which may be all that this guy means. Still, attractive is attractive. Its just that, if I heard this from some guy I really didn't know and the quote was all he said, I'd be hard for me to automatically think it was just racially motivated. Because I could feel the same way, depending on what I find attractive. For this guy, we just don't have enough information. That he was racist wouldn't be my first judgement. Although, now that I've seen Pun elaborate a little more, that doesn't help his case....
A man was asked to choose between 3 women, and he could only ask one question of each one. The first women was an extremely attractive blonde girl. The 2nd was a stunning brunette. The 3rd was a gorgeous redhead. He got to ask one question and the same question had to be asked of each of the 3 women. The question was...If I gave you 10,000 dollars what would you do with it. The first blonde girl thought about it and said, if you gave me 10,000 dollars, I would spend it on a very nice dress and outfit, so that I could look my best always while I am at your side. The 2nd brunnette said, I would take the $10,000 and donate it to your favorite charity as we should always give to those who need it the most. The 3rd redhead said, I would take it and put it in an investment and double the money and give it back to you. Guess which one he chose? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The one with the biggest t*** !! DaDakota
So are you saying that if my friend were to find a black lady that was very, very attractive he would go against his comment?
No, I am saying that the guy in the joke thought the most important thing was big t***.....which is simply prefernce. After all, who doesn't like big ens? DaDakota -trying to lighten the mood a bit.
Timing: I think the problem here is that you think that racism is still widespread among whites. That tells me that you probably don't know too many. I know quite a few, and I can't think of a single one who is actually a racist. I'm not denying it exists, but it is not nearly as widespread as you think it is. On the other hand, I went to Westbury HS, and had quite a few black (and Mexicans, for that matter) friends there. Of the few white friends I had there, I am the only one - the only one - who never got jumped. And I nearly got jumped several times, but was saved by black friends. Don't sit here and insinuate that only white people can be racists. I usually stay out of these discussions because they are totally pointless and unresolvable (even more so than the ones I usually get into), but your insinuation is just ridiculous, and if anything shows your own prejudice against white people. If that was not what you were insinuating, then fine, and I apologize. But you seem to make this insinuation every time the race issue rears its head, and frankly it sickens me. If you actually believe it, then you are a racist, although I'm sure you couldn't admit it even to yourself. But I'm not going to get into a debate with you over this. If I have misunderstood you, then I apologize. If I didn't misunderstand you, then you are a racist idiot. Sincerely.
Tah-tahs....haven't heard that one in a while. This could almost be a seperate thread, if only we wouldn't get branded as neanderthals.
Lil Pun: Your friend might be an idiot... But how could a racist be friends with a black person for 9 years? Racist people do not make longtime friends with the races they are prejudiced against. Now, he's certainly a candidate for idiocy...
