A poll about Rafer :eek:

Since JL3 is already a decent backup, why not trade Alston for a better one? Yes, I mean I would like JL3 as a backup than Alston, cause he makes hell lot more than what he deserves. You will need to play him to at least gain some trade value though...

 

Yet neither Luther nor Bonzi posted his absurdly bad turnover/minute rank (again, he's among the very worst in the entire NBA), or his horrendous PER, his awful plus/minus, Roland Rating - basically everything which confirms what anybody who watched him could see: He did not perform well at all and has spectacular ball security issues.

You're officially the stupidest person on the internet today. Congratulations.

Keep posting to maintain your title - although with all your bullsh-t this morning you have built up a healthy, healthy lead. Maybe you should take some time off though and scout next year's crop of second round draft picks who won't amount to anything and explain to us how they will become the second coming of World B. Free despite the fact taht they couldn't get past Allen Leavell on defense with a motorcycle. Oh, and that's today's Allen Leavell I'm referring to.

 

OUCH! hahahaha, a much needed laugh after the poor showing last night. WHICH, I have to add, we STILL had a chance to win.

 

I was paying special attention to his D, his defense isn't THAT bad. Out of our guards, it's probably the best...but that's not saying much when the rest of our guards or vastly undersized at thier positions.

Rafer's on the ball D is decent, his pick and roll D is horrible from what I can tell. Head is too short, but the rest of his defense is ok. Lucas is just so small. I think this is why the mentioned players go for the strip a lot. They are just to small so have to be quick and hope for steals, which they are decent at.

 

With his play lately, I can't really argue with you. He hasn't had a "good" game in...well, as long as I can remember. Either mediocre games, or bad games, most being mediocre where he hits in the first, misses his next bagillion shots and will make in the 4th.

I'm just not sold on the idea of playing Lucas and VSpan more until at least we get Yao back. I definitely found myself wonderin why Lucas didn't play more yesterday with Rafer's bad game.

 

Can't argue with you there.

 

That Boki bet is one of the classic in this BBS.

So are you going to start a bet on VSpan or not?

 

Start Rafer. JL3 is going to have to earn a starting position. His minutes will gradually increase as the season goes on. Defensively we're better off with Rafer because of his size and experience.

 

Well, using VSpan's turnover rate and Rafer's turnover rate, VSpan would cost us an additional 1.5 turnovers per game over what Rafer is averaging. That would equate to approximately 1.8 points per game since we are averaging right around 1.2 points per shot as a team right now. So, I would say that VSpan's turnovers COULD be equated to less than one of Rafer's missed 3 point shots, shots that VSpan would not take but would drive and finish or dish. At least if you took a few of those shots and let VSpan hand those shots to someone else besides Rafer standing out there chucking, there would be an opportunity to score. Rafer is now down to 1.04 points per shot. If he has another bad shooting game or two, he will probably drop down to below 1 point per shot. That won't get it done. If you can't shoot, then you've got to drive and pick up fouls.

Rafer is dead last in field goal shooting of all point guards in the NBA who have played enough to statistically qualify. And he is next to dead to last in PPS (1.04 pps compared to Pargo's 1.00 pps). His adjusted eFg% is nothing to write home about either but it does boost him out of dead last into a tie for fourth worst eFg of qualifying point guards in the NBA. Rafer, very simply put, at this point in time, is one of the absolute worst offensive point guards in the whole NBA. And we already know his defense is nothing to write home about.

Too many missed shots does equate to turnovers after a while man.

 

LOL, I love it when DaDakota breaks out the fabled "can of I told ya so"

It's pretty much proof that his prediction will not come true.



DaDakota opening up the can when he says that Rafer and Juwan will be fine as starters:

Now I can rest assured that Spanoulis will not amount to sh-t due to the mighty "Big ole can of DOOM", though i'm sure every scrap of marginal progress he exhbits will be ballyhooed by you as a major breakthrough.

You suck at posting today. I have enough rental mules. Stop.

 

Vspan is doing this against garbage time players, with little to no D being played. Rafer is doing this against starters, with full effort being displayed on both ends of the floor.

Rafer doesn't force 3's either. He's taking what they give him. If Vspan doesn't shoot it he'll dribble right into a position where he'll be forced to take an ill-advised shot or a stupid pass.

There is nothing in basketball worse than a turnover. I'd rather have an opportunity and fail in it than not have the opportunity at all.

 

You and Sam Fisher must be cousins.

You're right. VSpan is playing garbage time minutes with garbage time players. And he is playing the 2 guard and having to hang out in the corner while JLIII dribbles around and shoots the ball. VSpan is taking what is given him.

And you're right. Rafer isn't forcing 3s. He's missing wide open looks where he has time to spin the ball around and read the label, squeeze it a couple times to feel the air pressure and pick all the band aid adhesive off it before he chucks a duck.

In the limited time VSpan has had the ball in his hands, he has shown that he will dribble the ball into a position where the defense is forced to react and then he either gets off a decent shot or more times than not, he dishes the ball...........to bench fodder that hasn't played the whole game and have stone hands that the ball just clunks off of.

There is nothing worse in basketball than a player being wide open and they can't shoot a lick but they think they have to shoot the basketball. There was nothing worse last year than watching Ryan Bowen clanking the ball when he was oh so wide open. Poor guy couldn't shoot or dribble. Rafer shoots because he knows he can't finish. VSpan wouldn't take those shots. He'll drive the ball into the teeth of the defense in the lane and create a foul, finish, or dish to a decent shooter.

 

correction

 

i say start jl3 but give him a legit chance, not just one game, he can shoot handle the ball, not really a creator, but i dont think we need that with tracy on the court,....i like vspan for the future....rafer is just horrible...he will do some great moves and hit a couple of clutch threes, but hes really not consistent, and regarding his defense, hes actually a pretty quick with his hands, its when he has to run around picks that make him a horrible defender....just my two cents

 

Luke Ridnour was recently placed on the bench in favor for Watson for the Sonics, maybe he's in the dog house, i don't know. But he has a nice shooting touch with a decent assist to turnover ratio. He's also the prototypical PG that we've been wanting, a pass first PG who can hit open shots.

Of course I doubt we can get him, I doubt he would stay on the bench for that long.

 

Ridnour a Rocket, that would be nice ...

But who can the Rox trade to the Sonics? Alston + ...