http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=2702950&postcount=52 Not sure I'm going to trust your trade analysis all that much...
If the Pacers move Jermaine then they might be in rebuilding mold. They might make a number of roster moves, cutting talent on longer years for cap room. The Rockets and other teams should take notice.
O'neal perennially misses a third of the season with injury, and is playing injured in half the games he plays. And he is an overrated offensive player. Odom+Bynum is far, far better than Jermaine O'neal. Throw in Granger, and its more reasonable.
Then Kupchak will get arrested for theft. Odom is every bit as injury prone (if not more) as O'Neal. And this holding on to Bynum business is stupid. Kobe is 28 making 29, Bynum is 19. Kobe is in "win now" mode, he doesn't have the time or patience to wait on Bynum to start hitting potential. Bynum isn't gonna hit stride for another 4-5 years. Kobe is not interested in baby sitting.
i was just thinking about this myself. all signs point to implosion. jim o'brien hired to take them back to the playoffs? no. JO trade on the horizon, in order to win next year? not at all. if the pacers want to build around bynum, diogu, and granger (nice young frontcourt IMO) then they need to move guys like foster, murphy, and dunleavy. all have 4/5 years left on their deals. murphy would be a perfect PF on this team with RA as the coach.
Living in LA and "forced" to watch the Lakers I can tell you that Bynum is a tough kid. He's shown heart and determination and he speaks to wanting to be a superstar center and do whatever it takes. He's got the right motivation and drive but he's alittle hardheaded to get through to it seems at times. I've seem him argue with teamates over positioning and coaches over playing time but they all say it's because he just wants prove himself. He seems to want to do to much, sort of force things but he does have the talent. At 19 he's young and the immaturity shows when he's on the court, but it's not a lack of drive that many other young kids have shown coming into the NBA and not putting forth enough effort. It's different then the K.Brown situation. He's just not experienced enough and falls for the fakes and gets fouls or puts up shots that aren't part of his game yet. But make no mistake he has shown flashes of the ability to be dominant. He can put up points quick with an array of hookshots and post moves. You can see the huge improvement in the footwork department, he's going to get it down sooner than later. And yes he can make dunks that make Laker fans think the old Shaq was back in town (if you didn't look at his face you'd probably believe it too). For the early part of the season last year he was starting and scoring 6-8pts in the first quarter, then be benched the rest of the game due to foul trouble or play very little afterwards. It really started to get to him, he would avg nearly 10pts a game just in the first half then not play at all the rest of the game. He started showning signs of fustration and at times on the court just try to do too much because he would be overly worried about when he'd get benched. It's immaturity in that sense but he's a smart kid, speaks well and if I recall had very high grades coming out of H.S. and could be accepted just on this to many of the top Universities but chose to make money and start his NBA carreer first. Remember he's just 19 and has shown tremendous growth in his game last year after just his rookie season in the NBA. I will say that he doesn't match up with Yao well, in fact it's seems downright embrassing when he plays him. As for other Cs he can get their number on a good day. I'll be willing to bet he'll be a 20 and 10 in the next 3-4 years. Kid has the talent, skills and drive to be one of the top 5 centers in the league.
you have no idea what you're talking about. think before you post West: >>>stole Abdul Jabbar from Mil for Bridgemen, Winter and Elmore >>>effectively traded a 36 yr-old Goodrich for the rights to draft Magic Johnson >>>stole Jamal Wilkes, next to nothing, from Golden States >>>pick up 34-yr old McAdoo, then later 33-yr old Mychal Thompson, as backup center for next to nothing. they became the last piece to the puzzle to win the rings >>>traded away a 6-yr starter at Center (Divac) for the right to draft a 17-yr hi schooler named Kobe bryant
He had them in the playoffs last year! He put together a team loaded with players that hold value on the trade market. It was one of the deeper teams in the league. They always found serviceable guys to add like Atkins. Now they have a young nucleus in Warrick and Gay with the possibility of landing more young talent in a Gasol deal. Considering what he had to work with in Memphis he did an outstanding job in his little time there.
Not a bad idea for both. I'll preface it by saying I'm really not well-informed on either team or the players. LA, I mean Kobe, wants to win now so O'Neal is a step up. Bynum has potential but I think he still needs a good 2-3 yrs to truly be considered a good, consistent center. O'Neal going to a new environment will probably get him to play better, ala Webber going to Detroit. Pacers get Odom and Bynum, which is also a step up. Why? I think O'Neal has fallen off lately, w/ the constant shifting of players, management, and overall mediocrity of the team. He needs to go, and you get two solid bigs, w/ Bynum having potential to be a top-10 center.
Well, we'll revisit it in the long run, after SJax screws up...........again. And incidentally, Harrington disappeared when the games counted most. Nelson wound up benching him. He is a paper tiger. Indiana's problems last year had much, much more to do with guys like SJax and Tinsley amongst others burning down the house than it did with Dunleavy and Murphy. I look for them to be much better after moving O'Neal, who clearly wants out. Tinsley will probably be the next Pacer moved after Jermaine. He's another trouble maker. Bird got the screws put to him by Artest's actions. But don't forget, he built that team. And he had the guts to blow it up when he realized that brat pack didn't represent basketball in Indiana the way they should. Now, he's rebuilding. You watch. He will get it done. And the final chapter on the trade hasn't been written yet.
Uh... not at all. All the big moves, the Brad Miller/Ron Artest Trade from Chicago, the Jermaine O'Neal trade from Portland, were all moves by Donnie Walsh. Bird's signature trade was the SJax/Harrington trade and it sucked big time. Donnie Walsh built the Pacers and Bird is tearing them apart.
If the Lakers trade Odom and Bynum for Jermaine O'Neal........it'll buy them another year to trick Kobe into actually thinking that they are trying to do something to get him to the championship, LOL....
a lot of people forget J'Oneal gets injured a lot and is partly for the reason Indiana sucks. The eastern conf. isn't a tough one, they really could have been contenders if he could stay healthy.
Walsh had a chance to either deal Al Harrington or Brad Miller to avoid the luxury tax in the summer of 2003, and chose to keep onto the "rising star" in Harrington. Had he kept Miller for 2003-04, who knows what Indiana could have done. They were already a 61-win team that year, if memory serves. Walsh is hundreds of times better than Bird, but he did draft Fred Jones, and he had a thing for Harrington, and he was falling apart by the end of his run. EDIT: Yes, I know Bird took on a gig with the Pacers that summer, but the Miller/Harrington choice was Walsh's call.
Jermaine O'Neal is overrated. His shot selection sucks and his footwork always leads to nothing; shooting 43% is not exactly impressive for a PF. The real strong points of his game are defensively, but why LA would sacrifice Bynum for someone who is paid $20 million a year to disrupt the flow of the offense and take horrible shots is beyond me. They should concentrate on getting rid of Odom (who looks pretty awkward out there) for some veterans/players with killer instinct.
i doubt the nuggets would deal camby, i am sure they are looking to cut salary big time with 3 max players and 2 very large contracts. but of those 5 players the only ones i see being shopped around are nene and k-mart. camby stayed he is a beast when playing and helps the team do what they do best, fast break. expiring contracts are great yes, but no one really trades for a large contract that is set to expire at the beginning of the season they usually wait till the trade deadline
