Except that is because Anderson's year was abnormal. Vince's is part of a normal progression. Next year, do you think Vince will be more like this year's Vince or last year's Vince?
Yea I realize that he progressed. I was just refuting the claims that career is not important and the importance of once year. This one year comparison COULD be valid. But we do not know where Vince goes from here.
Are you accusing Brady Anderson of steroid use? He just worked really hard in the offseason that year.
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=39507 The decision is fairly simple once the parameters are clearly defined. The problem is, there are no guidelines. The annual Heisman Trophy ballot states: "I hereby designate (insert name, college) as my first choice to win the Heisman Memorial Trophy awarded to the outstanding college football player for 2005. It doesn't say anything about being the guy who is the most valuable, the guy with the best numbers, the guy whose team is ranked the highest, the guy who had clutch performances in big games or the guy from the toughest conference. The fine folks at the Downtown Athletic Club leave all that bickering and bellyaching to each individual voter. Which, when you think about it, is why the Heisman is the most coveted individual award in sports. That said, I'm going with Texas quarterback Vince Young. In four short months, I've gone from someone who didn't think Young could throw consistently to save his life to someone who looks more foolish with each of Young's perfectly thrown deep balls. There isn't a more dangerous player in college football than Young when he breaks containment or when he runs the read option. But to take the next step in his maturation and for Texas to reach its national championship potential, Young had to become a prolific passer. And that's what the Heisman is all about: a player developing into an elite performer while carrying his team on a memorable championship ride. For all that Mack Brown has accomplished in Austin -- all those wins, all those star players, all those high NFL draft picks -- he is on the verge of winning his first conference championship in 22 years as a head coach and winning Texas' first national title since 1970. And all because of one player. Sure, Texas has budding young stars in tailback Jamaal Charles and wide receivers Billy Pittman and Limas Sweed, and its tough defense is molded by Gene Chizik, the game's best coordinator. But without Young -- without his dynamic running ability and refined passing skills -- the Longhorns would be 9-2 and playing in a Big 12 championship game that no one outside the league would care about. I'll be the first to say that any time Reggie Bush steps on the field, he is the game's most dangerous player. But quarterback Matt Leinart is Southern California's most valuable player. When the Trojans faced a fourth-and-9 with the season on the line against Notre Dame, whom did they look to? Leinart. And I don't want to hear about Bush's gazillion yards against Fresno State. Does the word Nevada mean anything to you? To me -- and the Downtown Athletic Club gives me this flexibility -- the award is a compilation of three factors: numbers, making a championship run and performance in big games. I'm willing to say it's a wash on numbers, though in reality it's tilted more toward Young than Bush. So it then goes to performance in big games. In Texas' three biggest games -- against Ohio State, Oklahoma and Texas Tech -- Young accounted for 916 total yards and eight touchdowns. In USC's three biggest games -- against Oregon, Notre Dame and California -- Bush accounted for 614 total yards and five touchdowns. And no team has a better win this season than Texas at Ohio State, including USC at Notre Dame. Had Texas lost to Ohio State, it still would have been a classic game. Because of its huge talent advantage, had USC lost to Notre Dame it would have been a colossal failure for the Trojans. Young single-handedly won the Ohio State game; Leinart -- not Bush -- won the Notre Dame game. Like I said, the decision is fairly simple once the parameters are clearly defined. Senior writer Matt Hayes covers college football for Sporting News. E-mail him at mhayes@sportingnews.com. _________________________________________________________________ Now, let me preface this by saying I am a UT grad, and a UT fan. Is Vince better than Leinart right now? I'd have a hard time saying yes. But, with that said, if you asked me which QB I'd rather have, I think I'd take Young. Why, you ask? Certainly part of that is my affiliation with UT, but also it takes into account potential, his running ability, his leadership, and the excitement he brings to a game. I'm not saying that Leinart doesn't have many of those things as well- he certainly does. I'm just saying there are few players I'd take over VY for a variety of reasons. The main one, simply being, that he is a winner. Leinart and Bush are winners, too. No argument there. But I'm not going to get into some statistics pissing match- they say exactly what YOU want them to say. I've seen Young enough with my own eyes to know he's the guy I want leading my team. I have no problem with anyone who feels the same way about Leinart. Anyway, I thought this was an interesting read, especially coming after VY's poor game vs. the Ags and Bush's huge game against Fresno. It totally does depend on your criteria for the Heisman. If it's MVP, Vince wins hands down. If it's best player, that's a tough and much more subjective call, IMO.
Ooops....if you click the link, you'll see that the first part of my post is all the article. The following part is my opinion....didn't want anyone thinking I lifted the first part and was trying to pass it off as my own. Just an interesting read from a national writer....
The opportunity is there every Saturday. Some players seize it. Others let it slide away. Here's a look at the players who shined or slipped in Week 13: Stock Up Jarvis Herring, Safety, Florida Herring made the most of his final showing at The Swamp, leading a Gator defense that held Florida State to only seven points when the heated rivals met 0n Saturday. The senior safety was in on two of Florida's four takeaways in the game and his team-high nine total tackles played a big part in limiting the Seminoles to just 49 net rushing yards. Stephen McGee, QB, Texas A&M It may have come in a losing effort, but McGee's performance last Friday was inspiring. The redshirt freshman showed a great deal of moxie rushing for 108 yards and two touchdowns in his first collegiate start, which came as a result of Reggie McNeal's ankle injury. McGee has some work to do in terms of his accuracy and field vision as a passer, but that should come with more experience. In what was a disappointing season for fans in College Station, at least McGee can serve as hope for the 2006 season now that McNeal's eligibility is up. Zac Taylor, QB, Nebraska Taylor threw for 392 yards and two touchdowns in Nebraska's surprising 28-13 drubbing of Colorado. The juco transfer has seen many peaks and valleys as a first-year starter this season, but he has been sharp in his last two outings, completing 48-of-74 passes for 612 yards with four touchdowns and no picks. Bill Callahan's transition to the West Coast offense has been far from smooth, but things finally seem to be clicking, which should give fans in Lincoln something to look forward to during this offseason. A bowl victory would be a great ending to a strong finish in 2005. Kyle Wright, QB, Miami Wright took a step backwards in Miami's loss to Georgia Tech two weeks ago, but he showed a great deal of maturity in an impressive bounce-back performance versus Virginia on Saturday. The 6-foot-5, 210-pound sophomore threw for 248 yards and a touchdown against the Cavaliers, while also setting up RB Charlie Jones' final touchdown with a 31-yard scamper out of the pocket. Wright's intelligent decisions and efficiency as a passer (23-of-30) were impressive this week and should give Hurricanes fans a great deal of promise for the future. Stock Down Joel Klatt Peter Aiken/WireImage.com Joel Klatt and the Buffs have stumbled down the stretch. Joel Klatt, QB, Colorado Klatt's improved play was a key factor in Colorado winning seven of its first nine games this season with its only two losses coming to Miami and Texas. During that nine-game stretch, Klatt threw 14 touchdowns compared to just four interceptions. Unfortunately, the former walk-on quarterback has seen his play deteriorate over the course of Colorado's recent two-game skid. He has thrown zero touchdowns compared to three interceptions in losses to Iowa State and Nebraska. The Buffs were fortunate to back their way into a Big 12 championship game against Texas, but things could get even uglier than the first time around against the Horns (a 42-17 loss) if Klatt does not regain his touch. Pittsburgh's Defensive Front Seven Pittsburgh's run defense, which ranks 95th in the nation, lived up to its pathetic billing in last Thursday's 48-13 loss to despised rival West Virginia. The Panthers have good size at defensive tackle with Thomas Smith (6-4, 300) and Phil Tillman (6-1, 315), but neither player does a good job of anchoring at the point of attack, which has forced standout MLB H.B. Blades to sift through entirely too much traffic on the second level when in run pursuit. Those problems were highlighted by coach Rich Rodriguez's spread scheme, as QB Pat White and RB Steve Slaton combined for 399 of the Mountaineers 451 net rushing yards. Jordan Palmer, QB, UTEP Turnovers were glaring in UTEP's two-game slide, which cost coach Mike Price's team a shot at the Conference-USA title. Palmer, the younger brother of former USC standout and current Cincinnati Bengals starting QB Carson Palmer, was brilliant during the Miners' first nine games, eight of which were wins. However, the 6-5, 230-pound junior threw seven interceptions in back-to-back losses to UAB and SMU. As a result of UTEP's recent collapse, Tulsa won the C-USA West and will play Central Florida for the conference title December 3rd. Vince Young, QB, Texas After watching USC's Reggie Bush tally 513 total yards against Fresno State six days earlier, Young seemingly pushed too hard versus in-state rival Texas A&M. The result was a near-miss for No. 2 Texas and a huge step backwards in Young's pursuit for the Heisman Trophy. The junior signal caller overthrew several open targets and finished with just 162 passing yards with one touchdown and one interception. Young, college football's premier dual-threat in 2005, could muster only 19 rushing yards on 11 carries. Scouts Inc. watches games, breaks down film and studies football from all angles for ESPN Insider. Listen to Todd break down the biggest games and give you all the scores on College GameDay on ESPN Radio every Saturday from 12-7 p.m. ET. Then watch Todd each Monday as he helps review the weekend's top college football action and break down the updated polls on The U Inside the Polls on ESPNU at 6 p.m. ET.
Hey, if you want me to say Vince played a bad game vs. the Aggies, then no problem. You are correct- he definitely struggled, and had what might be his worst game all year. The rushing totals aren't totally surprising, though. He's only run for 68 yards total on 25 carries or so in the last three games. While some of that can be attributed to the success of the opposing defense, you can also point to an increased reliance on the 4 runningbacks UT uses to spread the workload, wear out the defense, and prevent injury to Vince. VY still leads the team in rushing yards, and Texas is still 3rd in the nation in rushing yards per game at 274 ypg, and 3rd in total offense at 510 ypg. He has one more chance to prove his Heisman worthiness in H-town, but I could give a crap about that if Texas can with the national championship. I was at UT when Ricky won the Heisman. And while that's great, I can only imagine it would pale in comparison to winning it all. I guess we'll see how it all plays out. I'll be one of the fans in Reliant cheering my ass off for the 'Horns, though, and I'll be in Pasadena as well if they can beat Colorado this weekend.
hahaha hardy har har.... With a comment like that, you definetly aren't my dawg. Anyways, totally pointless to bring this back to life Ic2000......
Constant trolling of UT threads AND resurrecting old threads for no good reason? Methinks IC is not much longer for this BBS.
