If you haven't noticed, I've been talking about Leinart overall. When I'm deciding who's a better player, I tend not to take only one season into consideration and also look at everything that surrounds the debate. You have a one track mind.
So basically, you're spending all this time trying to prove that Vince had a better season then Leinart? Then, like IC200 and myself said earlier, we're wasting our time. It's all about stats, big wins and prior acoomplishments have no merit in this debate. This is so lame. Hodges for the Heisman. I'll make the shirts.
this guy is better than Reggie Bush!!! http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=133410 look at the stats!!! http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=145158 And Bush has Jarrett and Leinart!
Its over the Best QB in college is http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=137200 Should we send him the heisman?
So passing effeciency is the only stat that matters right? In a similar statitic (passer rating in the NFL) , here are the 5 best QB's: 1. Palmer 2. Manning 3 Marc Bulger 4. Plummer 5. Bledsoe Those are clearly the NFL's elite.
I'm saying there is a case for both being similarly good - you're the one who conclusively stated Leinart is clearly better and that there is no argument. In fact, you even said you have stats to back up your argument, which you apparently just confimed that you don't. In fact, your entire argument seems to lie in "I believe I am right, and any evidence to the contrary must be explained away". Vince has just as many wins? Doesn't matter. Vince has more yards? Irrelevent. Vince is more efficient? Who cares. Really - outside of things that happened in previous years, where everyone agrees Vince wasn't as good, what is your argument that Leinart is unquestionably a better QB *now*?
If VY went to aTm, IC2000 would have a entirely different opinion. Thus, the problem with trying to convince him otherwise. With regards to everything else, I think a VY-Leinart comparison is legitimate but I don't think we can tell who is the better QB right now. Right now it's too close to call.
How does winning the year before affect the difficulty of the subsequent season? If anything else, it shows that the team is very good and should win a lot of games the next year. I wish you would finish your last sentence and tell us that "most <whoever or whomever>" believe this to be true.
Olsen is absolutely one of the best quarterbacks in the country. He won't get the Heisman because it's correlated way too much with team success, but there's a legitimate argument that Drew Olsen has been the best player in college football this season. Furthermore, if it was efficiency only, you might have a point. But every statistic discussed in this thread - wins, efficiency, total yards, Heisman voting, you name it - Vince is comparable to Leinart this season. Now you're turning a deaf ear to all stats from this season (which funny thing, didn't you say you had them on your side?) and going back to results from previous seasons.
And VY made a hell of a pass. Honestly, did you watch the games or do you wait for the UT game to be over every week to try and find ways to diss the horns? I don't know what else to expect from an Aggie. The entire culture of aTm is built on the premise that it's not UT.
I already told you I wasn't operating on a one season basis. You seem to like to tell me that i don't understand but it's it's pretty clear that neither do you. I do have stats wins, championships and awards. I also have stats of other players to prove that just because Young has had one and a half good seasons, that doesn't make him as good as Leinart. Is this really that complicated. I'm seriously about to to crazy on somebofy at my office. Anyone who watches the two play can see who the better QB is. So Young had a good year. Congrats, he'll get to clap for Reggie Bush in NY. I can't believe this is a debate. I'm not even saying young isn't good, just that he's not as good as Leinart.
It's why very few players (despite back to back great seasons) ever win the Heisman. Voters tend to give the award to different guys unless the same player (like Archie Griffin was) is head and shoulders above the rest of the competition.
but you are saying two different things. if we are talking about who is the better college qb now, young is in the debate. lienart has obviously had the more accomplished career but you are using that to argue who is better now. so don't go crazy.
