What exactly does that mean? A college quarterback's only job isn't to pass. It is to move the football. If Vince does it more by running more often that Leinart does, he is still an efficient quarterback. You're saying Leinart is a better QB prospect for the NFL(Which, at this point, I probably would agree with), and I believe you're the only one talking about that in this thread.
I'm not saying you are. I'm saying Corso isn't. You were claiming the only people who thought Young measured up to Bush or Leinart were UT homers - I was showing that that simply isn't the case. Leinart would be picked ahead of Young in the draft this year. Young does have more to improve on. For the NFL. This isn't a debate about who is better at the next level. This is a debate about the best college football players this year. And sorry, Matt Leinart isn't making history. USC has the chance to make history. The entire team. Not one individual player. And typically, when the records are the same, more votes for the Heisman usually does correlate with who voters as a whole think is the better player. There are exceptions - but they're almost universaslly when a player from an 11-0 team gets more love than a player from a 7-4 team. When the records are the same, it gets more objective.
Sorry, not a USC fan. Guess that throws your little theory out the window. UT's schedule is weak, plain and simple. It's not their fault that it's a down year in their division but this is a super weak conference this season. Am I talking to Vince young here? How do you know he was sick (I never heard that)? You don't know whether he cares about the Heisman or not. Glad you know him so well. Anyways, you could make the same argument about Bush. He doesn't care about the Heisman, why do you think White gets all those carries too. Leinart doesn't care about the Heisman, look how he hand the ball off to White and Bush all the time. That's about as lame an argument as you can make. I have have wins, championships and stats to back up my argument. You have a Rose Bowl victory over a team that's two key players were true freshman and one and a half good seasons. Your last sentence says it all. Huge homer.
What he says is logical because you like the way it sounds better. Some of youare amazing, criticizing others for their opinions yet praising this guy for his.
9-29, 83 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT. Just thought I'd post a certain QB's passing numbers over the past 2 games. Carry on.
Actually, I'm saying Leinart is better period. I don't even like Matt Leinart and I'm saying this. He's a better college QB and he's most definitely a better pro prospect at QB. I never said Young wasn't efficient. I've said he's good. The hype machine is going overboard with him though and it's very evident here.
I go to UT. I have it on good authority that Vince was sick. Why didn't you hear about it? Well, one man's getting the flu doesn't usually make Headline News. Why does White get so many carries? Because he is a far superior running back between the tackles. And you're right...Matt Leinart really doesn't care about the Heisman. In fact, he probably cares less than Vince does. You have wins and championships from previous seasons. This year both USC and UT are 11-0. UT has looked far better getting to 11-0 than USC has.
Leinart is making history because he is one of the driving forces behind that team. Just like Tom Brady in New England. I'm well aware that it takes a whole team to win games. That's just trying to twist up what i'm saying. Typically, but not in this case. When the winner is a player from your team it makes it nearly impossible for you to finish second. Say whatever you want as well, but it makes it harder to win when you won the year before. This is pretty well known by most..
Woohoo, you proved that last year, Leinart was a better QB than Vince - congratulations on proving something that no one was or would argue! As for this year, National Titles: Leinart: 0; Young: 0 Wins: Leinart: 11; Young: 11 Stats: Young has more total yards than Leinart; Young has a higher pass efficiency rating than Leinart. Young has one more total TD (rushing/passing) than Leinart. Yes, clearly you've got the stats, wins, and national titles.
Actually, Vince Young being sick does normally make the news. When a star athlete gets sick before a huge game it's normally something people deem newsworthy. I agree with all of your second paragraph. USC has played a harder schedule and they have a terrible defense.
Then you are flat-out not right. I won't say you are wrong, because Leinart is a great college football player and may be better at this level than Vince, but there is little to no evidence to say that he is. For you to be so confident that you have a universally valid argument that Matt Leinart is a better college quarterback is laughable. See Major's post for evidence.
Ok, whatever. Leinart is a pure pocket passer, he's not a scrambling QB like Young. I'm not even going to waste my time with the total yardage thing. I can show you other players that have more total yards, does that make them better. Vince has one more total TD and yet Leinart is giving way to Bush, White and Jarrett. Leinart's passing scheme is far more sophiticated then Young's and he's asked to do far more in the passing game. Why don't you bring up turnovers as well?
Ok, whatever you say. Major's post isn't evidence, it's a good way to spin Young as the equivilant of Leinart. It's a nice try though, I like the effort. Good hustle.
He did. Turnovers are factored into passing efficiency. Leinart does more in the passing game? That's great. In case you didn't know, though, quarterbacks are also allowed to run.
Interesting. Just a few minutes ago, you were saying you had the stats on your side. Now you say stats are irrelevent? Creative. Good to see you have a consistent argument behind you.
Okay...easy way out of an argument. I'm not going to be stupid and say we beat you because you were just simply overwhelmed by our plethora of evidence, but I don't understand your argument. There is without a doubt an extremely valid argument that Leinart is a better college QB than Young, but I don't understand yours. Vince is a scrambling QB...it would be dumb to compare passing yards/TD's. Leinart is a pocket passer...it would be dumb to compare rushing yards/TD's. If anything a comparison of total yards/TD's is skewed heavily in Leinart's favor. Not only has he had many more snaps this year, a passing QB is simply going to amass more total yards than a running QB.
I didn't say stats were irrelevant. I took your arguments and presented reasons for the stats being the way they were (which is more then i can say for a lot of people). I have brought up a number of things on this thread that people have swept under the rug and chosen not to respond to. I wonder why that is?
