No joke. They should make it mandatory that every aggie take at least 1 statistics course and 1 logic course. I was surprised when rocketteen used the word myopic. Never seen/heard an ag use that word before. You'd think you'd hear it more often, considering it pretty much sums up fran's coaching philosophy.
That's fine then. As long as everyone here is in agreement that Bush deserves the Heisman and Leinart is a better QB then Young then everything is settled.
So is Lee Corso a UT homer? Because he said last weekend that Young was still his choice for the Heisman, over Bush. Furthermore, Young is almost a lock to finish ahead of Leinart in the Heisman voting this year, so you seem to be in a minority with the "Young isn't close to Leinart" opinion.
Here's another example of someone saying you can't say who's better. Don't pull that supporting cast garbage with me on this argument because it won't fly. Yes, USC has better receivers and better running backs then UT. That being said, it's not like UT lacks talent and they also have a defense that is far superior to USC's. When VY fumbles or gets picked off, he has a defense that can pick him up (much like the A@M game. USC doesn't have that. You think Young makes that 4th and 6 audible against ND and throws a perfect pass to set up the winning score. Young has plenty of talent around him. If you can't see that Matt Leinart is a better QB then Young then maybe the Texans have a job for you come draft day. I'm not saying Vince isn't a good college player, I'm just saying he's not as good a Leinart. As for the Heisman debate, it seems like you've conceeded that Bush deserves it so there's no point to dwell on that. It doesn't matter who finishes second (we all know Bush and Leinart will split votes and Young is more apt to get votes because Leinart already won it once). Young has a terrible delivery and while he has a strong arm he isn't an accurate passer like many suggest. I watch EVERY UT game for the most part and his receivers have made many an amazing catch for him this season. Young creates open receivers with his legs too but he isn't anywhere near as accurate as his completion percentage shows.
Was that before or after his fifth shot of Jack? Lee Corso is a tool, I'm sorry but he is. I think Young will finish ahead of Bush for the Heisman but that doesn't mean anything. I can list plenty of players who finished ahead of players who were much better then they were. That's a waste of everyone's time. I said Young isn't close to Leinart as a QB and he's not. I expect to be in the minority in this debate, think of how many UT fans are on this board.
He may be a tool, but he is a legitimate football mind without a bias to either program. You're not in the minority on this board. You're in the minority period. Sure, it's possible that Leinart could be better than Young down the line. But the Heisman Trophy is a collection of votes from respected analysts around the country who rank the three best football players in America. A vast majority will rank Young ahead of Leinart, and while you can cry the conspiracy talk of "no one wants to vote for Leinart twice," the reality is that a majority will find Young to be the better player no matter how much you try and twist that.
Not during the whole thread. People ventured away from the argument just like I did. However, maybe I could make the same argument for Reggie that a few of you want to do with Vince. What could Reggie do with a better supporting cast? Someone earlier mentioned that Leinart has better receivers and rbs then Young but McNeal has absolutely nothing. A@m is garbage. The difference in UT's talent level and A@M's talent level is a lot greater the UT and USC. That's why that argument is lame. I'm not endorsing that I think McNeal is better, I'm just showing you why that argument is bogus
In a 10 page thread, there are maybe 5-10 posts discussing Leinart in comparison to Young. The thread is titled A&M vs. UT, not USC vs. UT and almost all the discussion is related to that. Outside of a few scattered posts, no one here is seriously discussing anything relating to Leinart. There is, however, another thread that does go there (something about USC - Not Impressed or something like that).
Okay, first of all...little harsh buddy. I guess all those close games USC has had is starting to get to ya... USC should have beaten the pants off of Fresno State. Non-rivalry, non-BCS, at home. We beat the pants off of similarly ranked(And probably better) teams in Tech and Colorado. A&M was close, and it should have been. Rivalry game in one of the top 5 or so stadiums in the nation. Taken out back and shot? I guess we should shoot pretty much 95% of the Heisman voters then? Vince doesn't give a **** about the heisman. Vince Young was sick Friday. If you couldn't tell by the lack of his usual explosiveness on the field, the show on the sidelines should have been telling. He really doesn't care about winning the Heisman this season. You can see it in his play on the field(Handing off to Henry Melton from the 1 yard line...You don't think Vince could punch it in himself?), you can see it in his interviews, and you can see it in his sideline demeanor. He just wants to win. Vince Young does more than just measure up to Matt Leinart and Reggie Bush. Absolutely ridiculous that you could be so confident in "it's ridiculous for people to call him a better player then Young or Bush when they have no valid argument to back it up." Half of this thread is the argument for Vince Young being a badass and one of the best players in the nation. Vince Young for Heisman!
You think I have a bias towards either program? I'm not from California, so why would I be bias towards USC? I live in Texas. How exactly am I in the minority period? I tthink Bush will win the Heisman, I think Young will finish second, and I think Leinart is a better qb. I'm pretty sure that's the majority of experts opinions. I promise you that if Young came out this year he wouldn't get picked ahead of Leinart. In fact, since you're a UT fan and you follow college football so closely, you should know that all the "experts" have said that it's great that Young is staying in school because even though he's imrpoved a lot he still has tons of work to do. Leinart would have been the number one pick last year. People were wondering why he stayed in school, what he had left to accomplish? He came back to make history, let me know when Vince young does something like that. I'm not crying "conspiracy talk" at all. More votes doesn't mean the better player, we've seen that plenty.
shhhhh, VJ... don't bring too much common sense into this argument. You're killing the media. It's a lot more fun for the media to assume Vince was pouting and crying over losing the Heisman - by showing about a four-second clip of him sitting on the edge of the bench for a few moments - than it is to actually put logical thoughts together about what was likely going on.
