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A look at some player pair +/- data (last 10 games)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by durvasa, Nov 25, 2009.

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  1. Patience

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    You think?

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    #21 Patience, Nov 26, 2009
  2. leebigez

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    Camby for battier would do wonders for this team. Putting shane on the bench would also do wonders :grin:
     
    #22 leebigez, Nov 26, 2009
  3. Melechesh

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    That's what I meant.
     
    #23 Melechesh, Nov 26, 2009
  4. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    There's a big problem with this analysis.

    Not only does it not account for opposition, but it doesn't account for stages of the game or match-ups

    For example, Chase doesn't play a lot of 1st qtr minutes.

    Or who might be in more in certain situations - battier is always guarding the toughest guy - so naturally it will hurt his plus / minus as compared to when that guy takes a break and a guy off our bench goes against another bench guy.

    Also doesn't take in consideration close games vs. not so close - like garbage time.


    All of this make this stat very tricky in my opinion. Because it's just not an apples to apples comparison.


    I'd be careful of sizing up battier as being a negative force and overestimating chase as a positive one for instance.

    Right now, Battier brings more to the table than Chase.
     
    #24 Sweet Lou 4 2, Nov 26, 2009
  5. durvasa

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    I made note of the difference in opposition faced in the first post. Its also worth noting that Battier's +/- is by far the worst, even amongst starters. Is he facing dramatically tougher lineups than everyone else? Is Adelman less willing to take him off the floor when the Rockets are doing poorly? Maybe.

    The Rockets haven't had too much garbage time in the last 10 games. Not enough to drastically sway these stats, I don't think.
     
    #25 durvasa, Nov 26, 2009
  6. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    a lot of gt tonight!

    I don't think a 10 game span is enough time to measure people either. I think over a season, things can average out more and there might be some insights in there, but not over a 10 game span.
     
    #26 Sweet Lou 4 2, Nov 26, 2009
  7. Hball

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    I like battier for pryzbilla, younger bigger and is a better post defender, he would be a perfect back up for yao.
     
    #27 Hball, Nov 26, 2009
  8. YaoMac09

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    If Chuck was 6-10 and had a midrange jumpshot he would be the GOAT.
     
    #28 YaoMac09, Nov 26, 2009
  9. durvasa

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    I understand. I wasn't try to draw strong conclusions here, so much as just making observations on what has happened of late. Hopefully certain aspects will improve as the season goes along.
     
    #29 durvasa, Nov 26, 2009
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