Hill is an average rebounder, statistically Patterson is a lesser rebounder. Jordan Hill at least mixes it inside on offense, Patterson is primarily a spot up shooter with no inside game yet. Still, Patterson might give you a wiser and better 12-7 than Hill's 14-9. Brad Miller has helped the team. Maybe not for the money he was given but he's done what he can. Those are 3 week old stats, though. Maybe things have changed since then
This analysis tells me that our bigs play better against weaker opponents. I'd like to see that analysis correlated somehow to the height of the opposing bis they play against.
"he has tools that very few players have" - like what - a fanny? Every single year there are guys that come out better than Hill and more developed. Its called the NBA Draft. Footwork - Are you kidiing me? What are you taking? I want some. Finishing - What??? He cant get tip-ins or put backs. He hardly dunks. I seen him miss shots right under the rim JJ style. He cant lead fast breaks and finish strong, he cant drive and finsish strong. What are you talking about? Finishing hanging a $h!t? Jumphook - Its very predicatable when he tires it. Needs way more work on it to be conmsidered prodictive. Jumpshot - Anyone can jump and shoot the ball, its the rate you hit them at which counts. And he doeesnt shoot it very well from the games I have seen. Dude seriously what are you on? I want some. Isolation post defense - He showed it agasint Gasol and one other player where he shut them down. But he has been getting owned ever since. Rebounding - He manly succeeds here when there is no one to contest him. He struggles hard when he has a few other players around him going for the ball. Doesnt box out at all. Low-Post - How is he effective in the low post? He is the exact opposite. His movements are very robotic and uncoordinated when he tries to do simehting. He kinda has a jumphook and can grab some offensive boards. He has shown hints of good one on one defense. But he is still severely raw at those skills and still needs a ton of work in those areas. All the other points you made are imaginary. He doesnt have any Footwork, Finishing, jumpshot or low post game. I repeat: He does not have any Footwork, Finishing, jumpshot or low post game.
Although only a few data points, it is interesting that Scola decreased significantly when Hayes was out. I would like to see an updated chart when more data is available all the way through the New Orleans game. PS. I can't spread reputation...but I still want to give you props for the effort.
I agree with you man. People think "Hill" is for sure going to be a great player in future. May be he will be, but I have not seen enough qualities in him to be sure that he has that much upside. Sure he has good body and sometimes can make great plays... but if seeing only this can make us believe he is going to have good career then freaking every player in sacramento, golden state, clippers and every 7 footer has a great upside. As long as I see heart in a player and some good performances = I show trust on them. Patterson has shown skills, IQ, and his effort is always there = I have trust on his abilities. Hill, a low IQ and no heart = it's hard to be that sure on his upside.
That may be due to the fact that he actually attempted defense while Chuck was out... expending effort on both ends of the court?
Well, I do not have all the stats to verify this but Luis tends to play better when playing alongside with a defensive center (not big man - b/c Chuck is not big). My thoughts are aligned with what you are thinking. However, sometimes I wonder if it is a psychological effect. In other words, when Luis gets beat in the offensive end it is plausible that he is affected mentally and starts to under perform in the offensive end. It eventually becomes a sink hole.
Code: Name Min +/- +/- (per 36) Scola 1492 +94 +2.3 Hayes 844 +53 +2.3 Hill 806 -140 -6.3 Miller 678 +7 +0.4 Patterson 209 +1 +0.2 I should point out, in fairness to Jordan Hill, that our January schedule eased up a bit when Chuck made his return (based on this).
Thanks durvasa, I was curious to see how Scola managed to survive this brutal stretch, he did quite ok. It’s confusing how last year he ranked last among our rotational players and this year he is first. (Props to Kyle for being first last year and first in minutes adjusted +/- this year) Chuck has just proven his worth during this stretch, I’m thinking he is making enough of a statement to warrant a lot more playing time than his foretold role of spot minutes as defensive stopper for a championship caliber team. I’m disappointed to see Hill’s inconsistency patterns remain unchanged, although he did manage his best back to back performance in the ATL and MIL games. And yes, it got worse but Hill definitely isn’t ready to handle a starting role, much less as a Center. @ CXbby, I’m glad to see you are warming up to Hill, you went from saying -things I bet you couldn’t say straight to his face- to the post in this thread, you are making progress in your vendetta management program. That said, your well rooted convictions are only my worries, I feel that overtime he can “get it all together.” @ Dreamin, hate is not a healthy emotion and you are being blindfolded by it, get it off your perceptions!
Great job, durvasa. One thing that's perfectly obvious, at least to me, it that Scola is not the problem. Luis is a terrific compliment to a big defensive center in Adelman's system. When Yao was lost, Hayes took up the slack far better than one could reasonably expect from a very short power forward, but his time out exposed just how badly we need that big defensive athletic center. Hill ain't it. Patterson is a rookie learning a complicated system and while bigger than Hill (and already a far better player, IMO), he isn't what's needed in the middle. For the love of god, Morey, get us that big!
Scola has never been a problem,but unless he's playing with a very good defensive center, he gets exposed. Thats why I never thought he a Yao were a good combo. Its very difficult, almost impossible to have 2 players on the frontline without footspeed,quickness,and struggle in space. Even if scola doesnt get the same double team as consistently as Yao, I think its alot easier to take yao out the game even healthy. Not to mention, scola plays every game, doesnt clog up the baseline, and has proven to be very,very durable. Thats why I think a guy like Thabeet would do wonders for this team defensively. Especially a guy like scola.
Pretty accurate....the +/- stat shows how valuable Scola is, despite perception during games that make fans get angry with him.... Instead of complaining about him, or trading him (losing a player who knos the system and whose is unbreakable, in a team known for his injury-prone players).... ...Rockets FO could fix the frontcourt A LOT by getting a tall, defensive C, that at least provides the D Yao provided, no matter if such C is far far away from Yao productions in O.... OF course another Yao would be ideal, my point is that in a REALISTIC scenario, a good, reliable, defensive C is possible to get, given the assets the Rockets has now... The other urgent upgrade is a PG IMO, neither Lowry or Brooks are starting PG caliber...both are good backup PG, but not starting caliber...
Hill is playing a lot of center minutes. Hill is not a center. He doesn't have enough minutes with a center to have valuable +/- info.
Maybe. Though his +/- numbers look bad regardless of the other front-court player he's playing with. What sort of center would be an ideal pairing? Code: [B]MIN OFF DEF NET[/B] w/ Scola 366 104.3 110.7 -6.3 w/ Hayes 75 88.5 95.4 -6.9 w/ Miller 225 109.4 121.5 -12.1 w/ P-Pat 34 98.2 143.1 -44.9
Chuck is the best center on the Rockets. 75 minutes not really significant. And I would guess most of those are with bench players.
Hill is best when he can just grab offensive rebounds and make plays when other players draw attention away from him. I do think PPat is the better prospect, but I do think Hill will be a good rotation PF for a team with a center(s).
Check the date on those posts. My opinion of him has only deteriorated, significantly, since then. Yes, correlated with his play. Thus the "vendetta" posts more recently, quite opposite from "warming up to" him. But rest assured, there is no vendetta, that's just silly. I am only stating what I see out there, a player who is hurting the team and more importantly, not improving. Maybe his jump hook is getting a little sharper, maybe he is a little more confident in his outside shot, but I see no improvement in the areas that matter. His understanding of basketball. While many use his late start in learning the game as an excuse to why he has more upside, I think it is exactly the opposite. In addition to his substandard mental capacity, it is the prime reason why he has little upside. There are somethings that if not acquired at a very early age, it can not be learned later on. Ball handling, court vision are widely accepted areas. Apparently feel for the game and understanding of the game as well. At the end of the day, you believe he will get it all together, and I don't, because of all the reasons above. Simple as that, no vendettas or agendas.
