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A look at +/- for our Backcourt Rotation

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by durvasa, Jan 24, 2011.

  1. choujie

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    Last year at this time people were arguing if AB was an all star or elite PG in this league.

    How quickly things turn around.
     
  2. ashishduh

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    Correct but you have to remember that he's playing with guys who take those stats away from him. Last year he didn't play with Scola Martin and Chuck so much.
     
  3. choujie

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    Lowry doesn't have Rondo's ceiling, that's for sure. But he is an average PG, not supbar in this league. He provides more than what the stats sheet shows.
     
  4. DaDakota

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    He is below average......

    DD
     
  5. choujie

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    He is better than AB, in terms of total impact. I think he's average with his hustle game, Above average when his shots are falling, below average when he doesn't play with high energy.
     
  6. DaDakota

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    23rd in PPG
    18th in APG

    He hustles, and gets steals but he is hardly even an average PG.

    When guys like Luke Ridnour are getting by you with ease it sort of eliminates that whole good defender persona.

    Lowry is an ok PG, and he is playing better than Brooks, not denying that, but we went from having PG as a position of strength last year to a glaring weakness this year.

    Ugh...

    DD
     
  7. BeARocketsFan

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    Exactly. A very very good player.
     
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    Love is a fickle thing:

    here comes the sadness:

     
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  9. DaDakota

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    Lowry is playing better than Brooks but he is not setting the world or league on fire.

    If Brooks wants his job back, it is there for the taking, but right now he is playing out of control and forcing too much.


    DD
     
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  10. Arun Sharma

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    When your team already has shooters in Martin & Scola, it's important to have hustle player in than a shooter...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF8fN8Nbz-Q == KL the hustle man.

    At least he brings the attitude in general, which we lack. Attitude can't be shown in stats. When a guy who brings intangible qualities and at the same time lead in stats, he is very important to the team.
     
  11. DaDakota

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    I agree that he hustles and plays hard, he just is limited in his lateral quickness and lack of a consistent jump shot.

    Ridnour is a decent PG, I have always liked him, but he is not known as a burner or uber quick guy and neither Brooks or Lowry could keep up with him last night.

    DD
     
  12. choujie

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    Again, PPG isn't that imporant for a PG. It's how the team is performing. Lowry doesn't shoot often, get teammates involved more, and that's better than scoring alone. See how Kidd and Rondo plays. Even Steve Nash, a very good scorer, try to find teammates first.

    Lowry's assist numbers are high when he was playing normal PG minutes without AB in the lineup. Now it goes down because his minutess are down too.

    Lowry plays average D for a PG, above average hustle for a PG, way abouve average rebounding for a PG, average passing, below average scoring. In all, he's an average PG, better than AB. And I consider AB an average PG too.
     
  13. Arun Sharma

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    Only reason I want Brooks back is because Lowry can help other bench guys more than Brooks does. Starting lineup may suffer a bit if Brooks come back to it, but that's okay... starters can still get points somehow... bench really needs someone to carry them.
     
  14. DaDakota

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    I totally agree, but I think he has to earn that back with his play, and right now that is not happening.

    I too believe that the Rox team is better with Brooks starting and Lowry off the bench, and the better one finishing.

    DD
     
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    He played better against good team, and on the road. We got 4 of those coming after Clippers game. I think those 4 games are going to be very important for him. If he can just play out of his mind (in a good way) and help us during that trip, everyone will come back to support him.

    He plays really good against Lakers somehow.. I think he will put up big numbers against them.
     
  16. choujie

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    You are wrong again. Both starting unit and bench unit need Lowry more than AB at this moment. Lowry simply is better before AB can get his full speed and shooting touch back.
     
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    That's fine, I'll take a below average 24 year old who hasn't even started 40 games in his career. Hell, statistically John Wall is the 2nd worst PG in the NBA.

    I would think you would like him too, considering he's already better than AB and Ridnour, your two love interests.
     
  18. DaDakota

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    I have no love interests, I just want the Rox to win, I wanted Ridnour a few years ago when we had Rafer, I felt he complimented Yao quite well.

    I would be content if one of our PGs started playing better, but right now, they are both below average, and it is hurting this team.

    Not as much as not having a center, but still hurting it.

    DD
     
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    As of this moment right now Kyle Lowry is not a below average PG.......

    Your love towards AB is annoying. The guy is clearly the inferior PG at this point of the season.
     
  20. choujie

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    That's DD, When his favorite player is not doing well, he tries to blame it on somebody else. It used to be Ariza, or Yao, or Artest. Now it's Lowry.

    He claims all he want is to see Rockets winning, but chooses to forget that Rockets are winning with Lowry on the floor, losing with AB on the floor, and that has been the case for 1 and a half years long.
     

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