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A Letter on Justice and Open Debate

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by B@ffled, Jul 10, 2020.

  1. Os Trigonum

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  2. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I agree there is a difference between boycotting a company for the views of its CEO and firing a professor for offending students with a less than gentle email.

    This is especially unfortunate as most people who are out and about in their daily lives aren't expecting to become Youtube stars and end up having their less than flattering moments seen by their boss. No one is perfect and I do think it's dangerous as you can't control if someone records you and posts it to social media even for innocent activities.
     
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    The fact that you can put something that isn't even meant to be racist, but thought provoking, on Facebook, and someone will report it to your work, and you'll get suspended and "investigated" is proof enough that cancel culture has gone too far.


    I know a friend of a friend that it happened to. Wasn't a co worker they reported him. Was someone he doesn't know and has never met.


    It's one thing to take your business elsewhere, and I fully support that. But to make people suffer in their daily lives for expressing an opinion? That's a bit too far. I hope every one of these people reporting other people have all of their skeletons dug up themselves.


    People make mistakes. Making them pay for them should not be celebrated. Helping them realize their mistake, helping them grow from it, and bringing education and awareness to your cause should be.
     
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  4. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Anything you write or put out there can be used against you in your job. That's today's reality. That's why you have to stay anonymous on forums and never reveal too much about your identity.
     
  5. Os Trigonum

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    that, and never write or say anything you wouldn't want published on the front page of the New York Times if it came to that
     
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  6. snowconeman22

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    I dont normally share, but im very worried about this .

    Without GOYA what will become of the stadium game where the crowd tries to find the beans under 1 of 3 hats !? Will we have to track inferior beans ? The already minimal interest/ attention the crowd is capable of will further decrease and the big wig executives will replace the wholesome game with more urban music /shudder.
     
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  7. Two Sandwiches

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    I agree with you, but I think people that go out there headhunting are insane. And it happens way too often.

    I don't believe in Facebook and don't have a page, but if I did, it certainly wouldn't be public, like this kid's.
     
  8. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    It is insane, and people feel empowered to go after people's jobs for even small infractions. It's certainly not fair that someone loses a job and livelihood for saying something stupid but that's how it works. You say something stupid and there is a record, and it gets to your boss, they are under a lot of pressure to fire you because they can face repercussions themselves.

    Point is, everyone needs to be trained on this to be careful of what you write or speak that is permanent.
     
  9. ROXRAN

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    Social Media is the devil biches
     
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  10. Two Sandwiches

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    Meh. I'll agree to disagree on that.


    I think we all need to quit being Karens so that people can quit living in fear and having to tiptoe and pussyfoot through their thoughts.


    That being said, I'm not dumb. I wouldn't put things out there like that, and I'm not racist. Plus, this is about as social media as I get. I also choose to believe in the good in people, and maybe this is why this cancel culture seems wrong to me.
     
  11. Invisible Fan

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    The person sitting at the highest office in the land has no filter. He also has no decency or scruples dividing the public, so it’s become a point where supporting him has different polarizing meanings.

    Reporters should be allowed to say and report uncomfortable things but who owns publications?

    The fact that the mob, the invisible hand of the markets, and “internet outrage” have converged into a monster might be a byproduct of worshipping capitalism upon all our institutions. People aren’t robots and don’t blindly adhere to one ideology all the time. We shouldn’t let advertisers dictate editorial policy but it’s been like that for so long, we blindly accept it and the low brow headlines that come with it
     
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    Just saw an article about a guy who died from Covid after blasting it for months on the internet. The article almost is a hit piece on the guy. Meanwhile, he paid with his life.

    Kind of reminds me of the woke, cancel culture. Hell, it IS the woke, cancel culture. Is it right?


    Absolutely not.


    When I'm in the store, and I see someone without a mask, I think "there's an idiot." But I don't shame them or try to kick them out of the store. I think, that's just a moron and I'll keep my distance.

    Same as when I see a Trump yard sign. I think, "morons live there. Possible racists? Or maybe it's just that they think the Republican party will always support farmers, even though Trump screwed them." But I'm not gonna go into their yard and tear the signs down.
     
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  13. pgabriel

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    I have to say their is really good conversation in this thread. That being said I totally agree that boycotting isn't cancel culture. People have a right to spend money where they want.

    Causing a job loss of An individual is another topic
     
  14. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Here's the thing I don't get about the whole "cancel culture" debate you are talking about here.

    Basically as I understand it, people want to be able to say controversial things - have their freedom of speech if you will - without other people saying anything? I mean, don't they have a right to have their freedom of speech in response?

    I get it, people getting fired for controversial ideas sucks. There should be some leeway with the ability to explore ideas without it resulting in a penalty like that. But who's fault is that? The people who don't like your ideas or the employer who is too ready to fire someone over anything controversial?
     
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    if an individual lost his job, it was the sole decision of his employer
     
  16. pgabriel

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    So if a bunch of conservatives got together and boycotted a company for having a Hispanic in a powerful role it would be okay for the company to get rid of that person?
     
  17. vlaurelio

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    what grounds / basis will they use to get rid of him?
     
  18. pgabriel

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    Their discretion
     
  19. vlaurelio

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    definitely NOT okay most likely illegal

    "Although the employment-at-will doctrine allows most employers to fire employees at their discretion, this does not mean that you can fire anyone, anytime just because you feel like it. To the contrary, various federal and state laws as well as public policy put serious limitations on employee terminations. On the other hand, employers should be aware that under certain circumstances the failure to fire an employee can result in legal ramifications."
     
  20. Buck Turgidson

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    Yep, so are unchecked guns.
     
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