I'm not watching the next Survivor. These lamos were so nice to each other that this was like a freaking Brady Bunch reunion show more than it was any kind of survivor outback game. I would rather sit back and twiddle my thumbs than watch a survivor show with people sucking up to each other all the way to the very end. Colby lost it for himself by keeping Tina around instead of Keith. Sure, let's all be nice to Tina, give her the million dollars, and then we never see her again except on the 20th year Survivor reunion show. Oh, and Colby can sleep at night. Whoopy freaking do. I would have weeded Colby out in the interview process by asking him, "If it comes down to you and a nice southern gal, then would you still want the money?" His answer would have been "No, I would give it to her so I could sleep at night". Sorry, wrong answer. Your gone. Weakest link. Bye bye. They need to get some evil people for the next one who are not so nice. Try a skinhead, a Black Panther party member, a lesbian, and a transvestite the next show. Let's make it interesting. Surf ------------------
Did anyone else think that Elizabeth's question to Colby and Tina was a freakin' great one? It pretty much forced them to give up at least one vote, and in all likelyhood, 2 votes by saying the two people who don't deserve the million. I thought it was funny how Jerri seemed to be jazzed about getting a chance to ask Colby a question, and basically confront him about how he stabbed her in the back, and he didn't back down, and he sure as hell didn't apologize! Hell yeah, Colby! Anybody else think that Deb was simply looking for some attention when she broke out with her sob story about how "she had lost confidence in herself"? That made me want to puke. If she truly didn't want to be on that reunion, then she wouldn't have gone... she just wanted attention because she knows she sucked royally at the game. ------------------ Give me ambiguity or give me something else. Sign up for season 2 of the CC.net NBA Sim League! http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/Forum12/HTML/000328.html [This message has been edited by RunninRaven (edited May 04, 2001).]
i hate myself for getting sucked into this, but... clutch, i think you missed the boat on this one -- tina did play the game, and played it well. mensa-like well, in fact. why? how? she did the one thing no one else on that island could do for colby -- she filled the void of his mother, and i think that was purposeful. think about how often she reminded him (us) about her children back home, how she went to, at least, i thought so at the time, such great lengths to really embrace colby's mother when she was there, to forge an alliance with her... i don't think that was coincidental. colby had one weakness -- his mom, and tina, recognizing colby was the player, exploited it. it blinded colby, and he f***ed up the final vote. and to a lesser degree, just to prove it wasn't coincidence, tina pulled the same crap on elisabeth, who was also homesick and pining for parental love. with jeri and keith already in her pocket, that ploy with elisabeth assured her vote number 3 -- so the odds were stacked in her favor before anyone ever wrote a name on fake parchment paper, odds colby couldn't overcome. that she wasn't overt, or devious or unlikeable does not mean she was not playing the game to perfection. ------------------ Ric http://www.houstonprofootball.com [This message has been edited by Ric@HPF (edited May 04, 2001).]
I'm "pissed because Survivor doesn't reward the strongest/most athletic person"? Help me out here. Just because Colby won all those challenges? When he answered all those questions about the 16 contestants, beating out Tina to win immunity, what did that have to do with his athleticism? Given that the immunity challenges are only a partial means to an end, I ask this: why did Colby deserve it? You said that playing the game is really a joke (that people would justify that whoever gets to the end did a "good job" -- that part I agree with), so why, if it's not the physical stuff, did Colby deserve to win? Did anyone else think that Elizabeth's question to Colby and Tina was a freakin' great one? I thought alot of their questions were pretty good and hard to answer. I was impressed by the last show more so than last time -- except that it seemed like there were way too many commercials it seemed (letting me watch the Mavs game)... On another note, does it strike anyone as odd that the final votes always end up within one and the final immunity was decided on the last question? The chances of these kinds of things happening at random are pretty damn low. ------------------ http://www.swirve.com ... more fun than a barrel full of monkeys and midgets. [This message has been edited by shanna (edited May 04, 2001).]
No surprise there - it is plainly obvious that they edit/produce these things to max. When they were doing the final challengle/quiz, after the second question, they showed Keiths Book, and you could see at least three pages with answers already. Its not a stretch for me to think that they would have the quiz and then do a "take 2" to make it look more dramatic for TV. In fact, I'm sure there were a lot of scenes like that. ------------------ ..as a man danced so the drums were beaten for him. Current Rocket's Salary & Contract Info
Ric -- honestly I think you're giving Tina too much credit. Sure, if you answer my question: When he answered all those questions about the 16 contestants, beating out Tina to win immunity, what did that have to do with his athleticism? You said I was "pissed because Survivor doesn't reward the strongest/most athletic person". Please justify. ------------------ NOTHING BUT .NET CLUTCHCITY.NET
You said I was "pissed because Survivor doesn't reward the strongest/most athletic person". Please justify. I said it SEEMS your pissed about that. I didn't say EVERYTHING he did had to do with his athleticism... but you said Colby deserved it and Tina didn't. If you take out the "playing the game" part, I don't see what Colby did better except win Immunity Challenges -- which are primarily physical. Immunity gives you the ability to move up another round, and in the case of the final challenge, choose to face the Weakest Link if you want. The immunities got him to the final round -- that was their only purpose. So why does he deserve to win over Tina? Remember, I didn't watch any of the shows before today, so I honestly don't know. I'm just curious as to what your criteria for deserving to win is. ------------------ http://www.swirve.com ... more fun than a barrel full of monkeys and midgets. [This message has been edited by shanna (edited May 04, 2001).]
Hey, thanks Shanna for the unnecessary financial lesson, but my point was only to clarify what, if any, she will give out of the "million". And my point was that's exactly the way to do it. Whatever money is "put away" for charity -- even though it's not actually given to charity, she can't spend it, so it's basically the same to her. The better thing about the endowment idea is that in ~10 years, she'll have donated all of that amount and still have all of the principal... So in 20 years, she'd have donated double the amount that she put away, etc. (Given decent investing strategy) It's silly to criticize that she'd actually donate MORE in net-total by not just giving the money away immediately. Now, what percentage she actually puts away -- that's a different question ... ------------------ http://www.swirve.com ... more fun than a barrel full of monkeys and midgets.
and i don't think you're giving her enough --at some point, considering what tina had to overcome, luck stops being a viable reason for her victory. she was the only cast member who managed to form an alliance with colby, and did so early enough to ensure she survived some early tribal councils. luck? she did not win one single immunity challenge, and yet, i can't remember her ever receiving a vote in tribal council. luck? and then, when colby had the ideal final circumstance at hand, he chose tina over keith, and cost himself the $1M. luck? that's A LOT of luck, don't you think? what tipped me off in regards to her ploy was her comment returning from the final immunity challenge last night, about colby having no airs -- he was what he was, she said, aka easy to read. the first thing i thought about when i heard that was tina meeting colby's mom -- in fact, at the time, i made a comment to my fiancee about it, how she seemed a tad too excited to see some women she had never met. elisabeth, homesick like colby, i could understand being drawn to a mother figure, but tina? after aligning with colby, getting to know him, and seeing first-hand his weakness, she aligned with his mother -- in hindsight, it was plain as day -- the show didn't play up colby's homesickness and tina's "i have a two children back home" mom-sob stories randomly. ------------------ Ric http://www.houstonprofootball.com [This message has been edited by Ric@HPF (edited May 04, 2001).]
