A Deeper Look Into How Little Abuse TMAC Has Taken

cause there is no occasion to bring it up, none of them are injury prone players who are breaking down at a young age

if u remember they tried to make same argument but in reverse for grant hill about him not having many miles on his body as if his age was no longer a factor

these experts are not realy experts they just regular people like u and me arguing about sports but more eloquent so they paid for it. i see more insight (and more stupidity) on this board than anywhere else on espn or a newspaper article. we need to stop giving these guys too much cred

 

back problems. you can't talk about games when you talk about that.

 

The whole argument is silly.

You say Artest has heart.

By your logic he also needs a tampoon considering over the last few years T-mac has played more games than him.

 

is b diddy a soft mental midget? was allen houston? is manu a mental midget with all his injuries and his fickle body?

as i said, there is no logic behind this argument at all. its not defending tmac its just pointing out a plainly dumb argument

 

you are joking right??? eric snow mckie, tyrone hill, bell and deke LOL AI carried that team to the finals

 

I know I wasn't talking about what you said. I was referring to what the other guy said.

 

tmac got that contract years ago because he deserved it at that time. he was carrying the team on his own at times. that's a risk for teams to offer max contracts/max lengths to players who deserve them because you dont know if he's gonna get to play every single game w/in the contract length.

how about g.arenas? or e.brand? at least tmac has taken his surgeries offseason so he can play during the regular season. but having undergone surgeries less than a year ago, you have to realize that he's going to struggle at times. just look at d.wade when he got that surgery. he came back and he sucked. same was for amare stoudemire, k.mart, battier, etc. i dont care what surgery it is, but it's gonna affect you because basketball is a physical game. you cant come back a 100% immediately.

it's not tmac's fault he got injured. why doesnt even anyone consider that tmac got these injuries playing for the rockets. these are legit injuries. it's not as if he was monta ellis or radmanovic(?), who got injured doing stupid things. if he didnt have to carry the load for the rockets most of the time, it can be argued that he wouldnt have these kinds of injuries.

as for taking a paycut, why would he do it? he's not having a contract extension/renegotiation this season. do you think les or dm went to tmac and asked him to restructure his contract so they could sign another guy? if you can show that they did and tmac said no, then you have something to gripe about. now, when 2010 comes and tmac's contract ends, that's the time you can ask him to take a paycut.

as for ai, and kobe. cmon, dont you realize that bigger people succumb to more injuries than smaller guys? yao has had injuries already and he's not even a decade in yet. big guys like, kmart and amare has had knee operations because of their height and heft not because they bang bodies. now if you ask a 7'6' guy to play like a wingman, he's gonna break something sooner than later, because it's too much to ask for body that big. and with tmac, he's almost a PF playing as a wingman. so he's more prone to injuries than smaller guys.

take durant for example, im sure, 10yrs down the line, he'll have the same injuries as tmac, being a 6'10" wing player whereas smaller players drafted the same time as him would probably still be healthy.

 

tmac has genetic scoliosis. back problems were inevitable. doc rivers said one time when he saw tracy took his shirt off in practice, he knew his back wasn't right.

these guys coming out of high school don't have that. big difference.

 

like i said, you cant fault tmac for getting his injuries because of his condition (scoliosis), his height/playing position. and you cant compare him to a.i., etc.

it's an amazing feat in itself that tmac's been in the league for 12yrs especially with what he has. im just proud of this guy.

im looking forward to nicolas batum staying in the league for a long time as well as he is a diabetic. i want him to prove his naysayers wrong that he cant last in this league because of his condition.

 

Dont get all bent up cuz someone disagrees with you. Yes, you gave the minutes for two other guys. You know what, I could give you the minutes for a bunch of other guys as well who have broken down and played a ton less minutes and seasons then Mcgrady.

Greg Oden is falling apart. He has missed major time his one season in college, the entire NBA rookie season, and even this season with injuries. He must be a wus. He has no mileage on his body. He is making millions. And dont say its different cuz he is a 7 footer, cuz so is KG and you mentioned him a bunch of times.

Gilbert Arenas is missing all sorts of time with injuries and likely to miss this whole season. He is pretty much a max player who will give the worst team in basketball no minutes this year.

Guys get injured. They handle injuries differently. Tmac has played like crap this year. Hate him all you want, but simply throwing numbers out for other players means nothing cuz they are not Tmac and he isnt them.

And lastly, dont bring other sports into this argument. For one, NBA players can not take paycuts due to the CBA. So just because Fitzgerald would take one for Boldin, doesnt mean squat related to Tmac. Secondly, yes Ronnie Lott cut off a pinky. Football is not basketball, and you picked one of the toughest guys ever in the NFL to compare to Tmac? What about LT basically being an no show in the playoffs for two straight years for the Chargers. Compare him to Tmac and see if the argument is the same.

 

Haha, so true.


We can't hold Tracy to these high standards though. He is simply
a vastly overpaid roleplayer.

 

This whole thing is stupid. It is the NBA and guys are going to get hurt. It is the nature of the game. Tracy has missed time before but in all his years this was his first time under the knife and it has taken a toll on his game this season. People don't want to except that but it is fact. These same things were being said about Wade after the same surgeries. It is the nature of the business.

Iverson is a freak of nature and so is Ricky Davis. I've heard reporters talk about how amazing he is because he doesn't work out, he doesn't lift weights, he drinks on nights before games, didn't practice, and still came out and was the top athlete on the court most nights. That is just a blessing from God to have awsome genetics. Even at that he has dealt with multiple injuries, but none of them has been to his legs.

Kobe on the other hand is a guy that no one should be compared to. He is the best in the game for crying out loud. That is like comparing Matt Schaub to Peyton Manning. Kobe injured is still better then 95% of the players in the league, so he can get away with playing hurt, but even he has had his share of injuries and coming off knee surgery he went out in the first round to the Suns.

 

Haha, a "games played" comparison is supposed to be "a deeper look?"

You must think Grant Hill and Penny Hardaway are the biggest quitters of all time

 

just because he hasn't played as many minutes as iverson or kobe doesn't mean his body hasn't taken a pounding. they are different bodies, some people can't take the hits night after night, that doesn't make them weak, they can't control it, you can't compare players in that respect. 12 years is a long time and kobe and iverson are exceptions to the norm

 

I just played basketball with my friend today who has mild scoliosis. He also has flat foot which I believe was accompanied with Scoliosis. He has to wear special pads on his foot because he could not run for long without his feet hurting, and even with those pads he cannot play for a extended period of time. So if an average person plays basketball 7 times a week he could only play around 3-4.

I thing I notice from McGrady that is exactly like my friend is his back. Both my friend and McGrady's back look exactly like a duck when they stand still and when they run.

Scoliosis is no joke. There are a lot of punishments in professional Sports, and people with Scoliosis cannot withstand much especially with contact sport. Their body breaks down very quickly.

 

This post reminds me of someone plugging their ears and going "la la la la la la".

Bolded part was hilarious though.

 

I have Scoliosis and I'm flat footed.

 

Thats not a very far comparison either, AI is frigging 5'11 -6'0. I'm 6'1 and have been through 2 surgeries, 1 on my ankle. At this height bodies hold up a lot better because the muscle mass isn't spread out too thin over the bones and I mean look at t-mac his muscle mass is definitely spread out. In my opinion his legs are the strongest part of his body because I don't understand how he hasn't had surgeries on those twigs yet. He'll be back.

 

wow,

I can't believe you are comparing the durability of two players. Some bodies are just built stronger.. and tmac unfortunately does not have a durable body... Same goes for Yao.. Look at shaq, dude has been in the league for ever...

No point in comparing