A cruel yet possible poll: If one of steve and ming has to go.who you want to KEEP?

Worthless thread that only has the abillity to create hard feelings and can provide no possitive information.

 

This thread is why hypothetical questions suck...

 

Keep both... and what rockets really need right now is a Jason Kidd or John Stockton type of player to run the offense... Dont espect the championship with Francis as PG, he is NOT PG.....

 

What an *******, always assume a pro-Ming person is a foreigner. Hope you took your English 101 in some dumbass junior college. Hope SF could maintain his 43 " vertical leap for years to come. I dont think Yao is getting any shorter soon. Guess who said SF could dominate the game if he wants to, while saying Yao could suffer major injury like it couldnt happen to anyone else, including SF. Talking about biased opinion. You never said SF is perfect, nor did I say Yao is the best in the league. Please put things in perspective. By the way, I guess you had nothing else to add to the list by just posting a stupid picture. Is that a picture of SF or you, I wonder. SF is black. Hmmm?

 

For those of you arguing about Francis and Ming and posting their positives and negatives consider these :

Francis is not a good decision-maker.
Francis is not great in leading a fastbreak.
Francis has deferred to his teammates in the first half of several games this season. He's had 2 point first halves only to end up with 20+ point games. Many of his teammates have responded by creating more bricks than Acme.

Ming gets out-positioned and out-rebounded by guys half-a-foot shorter than he is. Where's the fundamentals you guys talk about? Freakin' block a dude out... how much more fundamental can you get?
Ming's lateral movement and reaction to penetrating players is terrible at times.
Ming allows people to take jumpshots right over him because he fails to challenge the shot or fails to react quickly enough to challenge the shot.
Ming has gotten a habit of reaching over players that have outpositioned him for a rebound and just slapping at the ball. I've seen him slap the ball straight out of bounds at least 2 or 3 times doing this. This is a good way to pick up fouls.
Ming's stamina stinks at this point.
Ming's ability to find people cross-court that are open or when the defense rotates to cover him is scary good.

People talk about Steve as being a great leader - he's not yet. He's trying. People talk about Ming being a great fundamental player. He is when passing the ball, but when defending the paint and gaining position for rebounds, he's woefully lacking. They both have some growing up to do... they're both young, so they'll both have time. Neither is perfect, but both of them can become among the top 2 or 3 at their positions in the next 2 or 3 years (if they're not there already).

So what am I saying? Pro-Ming folks and Pro-Francis folks need to step back and realize neither of these guys is perfect and they both have flaws. They both have pretty fundamental flaws that translate to poor offensive and defensive play for the team when they play. Neither is beyond reproach.

Oh, and try to keep the "foreigner"/"*******" jabs out of the forums.

 

I love stevie sooo much that is why it hurts me the most. It hurts me to know that a 4-year vet like him does not realize Yao (or any big man on the floor that can pass and comand double team) is his best ally. It boggles my mind that our so called all star point guard does not realize that.

Francis is our leader. Lead with class. Get tapes of great leaders of the past and present like John Stockton, Steve Nash, Gary Payton, John Lucas, Majic Johnson, Vinny Johnson etc. and learn from them. Learn how they made their TEAM better.

1. You don't have to do your fancy cross-over evry trip down court.

2. You don't have to expend unnecessary energy and risk injury by continously challenging big men in the middle.

3. You don have to pass the ball to moochie or Kenyy Thomas with 3 seconds on the clock. Or dribble the clock.

4. We don't to result to broken plays 3 out of 5 times down the court. We don't need to go into our set play after 14 seconds have already be expended from the 24 second clock.

5. We have to always lead the league in turnovers per game or be amongst the worst in the worst in the league.

6. We don't have to average the the list amount of assist as a team per game.

7. You don't have to pull up for a jumper while your teamates are all on the perimeter with no one in position to get a rebound (with 8 seconds on ther clock).

8. Tell Eddie Griffin to go down low or he is not touching the ball anymore. Encourage him to divource 3 point range shots. He should listen because you are the team leader.

9. We don't alway have to go down the wire every game especially to teams like GS, Nuggets etc. because we lack killer mentallity.

10. If you don't make Yao better by giving him touches the 200 millions + Chinese who will watch at least 30 rockets games this season will not find it funny. Your shoe sales will NOT go well in China. Think about the bussiness opportunity my fren.


You will be bigger, richer if we play well and win. Acrobatic moves and highlight moments are exciting but they can only get you as far the 11pm EST Sportcenter. But winning (titles) will make you an icon, a legitimate star.


But in all I still love you Franchise because you have heart and I hope you are smart enough to turn it around soonest.

 

I welcome constructive comments, but nothing like SF "can dominate a game when he wants. " I am sure Yao could score 40+ points if he takes 25+ shots in a game. Did it prove anything. No. If he can't make his teammates better, he is just another great scorer. No doubt Yao still have many things to improve, so do most players in NBA. Even though he is 7' 5 1/2" tall, you couldnt expect him to block every single shots in sight, not even Mutombo could do that. If you didnt see how he's been changing shots in the paint or stopping others from penetration, you must have been blind. It's not like we got destroyed inside the paint during the past few games. We got creamed from the perimeter. That's the job of our backcourt, not the center. As far as the rebound goes, it's always much harder to get offensive rebounds. Could you tell me that we were out muscled on defensive board when Yao was in there. No. Most of the time, Yao got his man boxed out, and our super leaping guard got his rebounds. Yao IS foul prone at this stage in his game. If you check my old posts, you could see I started a thread in the summer stating that foul trouble is Yao's major weakness. But that'll improve with times, just like his stamina. Just passing the ball around dont make you a good passer. You need to create easy shots for your teammates. You need to WATCH the game to see that. Stats dont tell everything. So far when Yao did get the ball, he was more able to create ball movement, resulting in an open easy shots. SF could do it sometimes only. Yao did turn over the ball a number of times when he was posting down low. But if you looked closer, on several occasions the ball was knocked out of his hand by a defensive player coming from the weakside as soon as he received it. It's the fault of our guard in forcing the pass in the first place. You dont pass the damn ball to you big guy when the weakside help was already coming. Here's more smiles for you.

 

You gotta love a good first post!

 

Francis of course, take Francis off the rockets and they will most likely win the lottery just like last year. With francis in and yao out, the Rockets are probaly hovering around 500 just like they are NOW with MING. Obviously Yao is younger but untill he puts up the nubmers that steve has. I gotta stick with steve. And yes this is a very dumb poll. It should be get rid of KT or Mo.

and just a observation just about everybody that joined during or after this summers draft, has said yao. I am just about the only exception . I think this poll is a little exagerated because of the Yao Ming fans that have flooded this board. I would not take this poll seriously. Steve's popularity will never be the same

 

10. If you don't make Yao better by giving him touches the 200 millions + Chinese who will watch at least 30 rockets games this season will not find it funny. Your shoe sales will NOT go well in China. Think about the bussiness opportunity my fren.
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Ya thats what great leaders should do is to worry about how their endorsement are doing on the other side of the globe.

 

lock this thread pls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

Sure, without SF, playing 4 on 5, we definitely will go for the lottery again. Let say we trade him for some other DECENT pg, we probably will be in the playoff, with a great pg, we might even be a real contender. On the other hand, trading away Yao, this team will never get any where, probably hovering around .4999 for years to come.

 

i love stevie and we will get to keep them both anyways but if i had to pick it would be yao. there are lots of "steve like" players in the league. but where are any more yao mings. every one here knows whats gonna happen. yao will get used to things and put high numbers like olajuwon but 6 inches taller and draws more fouls.

 

Simple idea:

If you don't like the thread don't post in it. Damn cry babies.

 

Cool your jets. I didn't mean that as a stereotype - just meant that you suck at typing, it is hard to understand half of what you are saying. You do spell the curse words right though, good job!

To be technical - you were insulting me saying that I don't watch any games. Then you follow that up with a Homer insult/reference, which I don't mind, but good try at a second insult. It was supposed to be funny. If you want to play hoops or anything else, we can meet up and settle that.

Keep it clean and don't overread anything I say. This is all hypothetical remember? I am a bigger fan of Francis than Ming, but that doesn't mean I don't like him, you are the other way. Fine. Conversation over. No hard feelings...

I was trying to remember why I didn't post so much in this forum... answered that question.

 

there have been plenty of flashy point guards from the past decade that performed well statistically for a short period of time. jason williams, kenny anderson, chris jackson, nick van excel, marbury et. al. just about every team has had a name point guard, but only stockton and payton have been able to sustain it over 10+ years. yao ming is a better prospect over the next 15 years. probably even the next 5 years. steve is a freak of nature athletically but i dont trust him to lead a championship calibre team. he lacks the aptitude of a kobe, isiah, stockton....hell even an avery johnson. if we could transplant avery johnsons brain into steve we would be set