A couple facts you might want to remember about Chris Bosh and his salary

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Carl Herrera again.

 

interesting post. i agree that some max players are worth FAR more than their capped salary however those are for players that help sell a ton more tix, jerseys, get more tv exposure etc. (lebron, wade etc.).

i know everyone on this forum is a die hard basketball fan but for the general fan who attends games or the average guy who is about to buy season tickets, I dont think chris bosh will sell a ton more for us.

dont get me wrong, i think he will help us win some more games but in terms of us as a franchise making a ton of money off the guy, i dont think so.

 

I know a lot of posters have have made the same point before. I even remember making a similar thread before FA begin due to a lot of Bosh hating.

But it doesn't really matter. People will understand this idea with Lebron or Wade, but not Bosh. I think the most common counter-argument is that because Wade, Lebron, Kobe, Durant, etc. are better players than Bosh, then giving Bosh the max screw us because we've devoted the same amount of capspace on a lesser player than another contending team. Hence, we are getting screwed because we're not getting the best bang for the buck.

There's really no need to explain these things, because in the end,

 

Thats quality :grin:

 

Just because Bosh could probably get a lot more than the "max" in a completely free-market system does not mean that it is worth signing hm.

The salary cap is a huge determinant in how much a guy is worth. Teams can generally only afford 2 "max" guys - so you better use then wisely.

 

Cool thread Carl. I give you major props.

 

Great thread and great points. Too bad it will fly over most people's heads.

 

That's correct. Something that CH doesn't seem to care about in this case. The new CBA will lower the salary cap and even the LT. Everyone wants to make as much money as they can before it kicks in.

 

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Carl Herrera again.

 

It's not really the best are underpaid, it's the rest are overpaid.

Look at Morey's contracts:

Landry/Scola - 3 years, $9 million
Hayes - 3 years, $6 million IIRC
Ariza - 5 years, $32 million IIRC

He acquires efficient players like Kevin Martin, and Kyle Lowry, or good players like Artest that are worth the money.

 

I dont think bosh is greedy, i just dont believe he's on par with james,wade and others. If you play 70 games and consider yourslef elite, you should be able to carry a bag of rocks to the playoffs. He's only made the playoffs 2 or 3 times in 7 yrs. How many times have wade,james,anthony and guys like that missed the playoffs? Thats my problem. Why pay max to a guy that doesnt perform anywhere close to a max guy?

 

Huh!?

Boston: Allen, Pierce, KG, plenty of role players
Houston(if with Bosh): Yao, Bosh, Martin/Jeffries(combined max due to Jeffries being a deadweight), plenty of role players
Lakers: Kobe(super max due to his years in league), Gasol(super max due to his years in the league), Odom/Bynum(combined more than max),

etc. etc. etc.

Unfortunately, most fans don't know anything about how the NBA cap works.

 

That is a great point, but purely subjective, nothing but an overly used opinion on what the value is or should be.

Sure Lebron might be worth x amount of dollars to someone, does that make it so? According to who? Some owners sitting around somewhere stating so?

Also, to further the point of the owner, in any sport, is to get the best talent they can get without spending as much. That's basic business thinking at its core. Why pay Bosh 175 mil if he's valued at that, when he will sign for 120 mil? Make profit and spend less.

What if...

His personal ventures in life are not, and should not be a process of the contract signing. His ability to SAVE his money, and INVEST his money is his own ISSUE, not the owners or the teams. Lets be real, and lets not pretend like the people care whether they are going to have a grand life after basketball...The owner cares about the here and the now, same as the player. It's a seesaw game, the owner wants to pay less, the player wants more. A battle of wills if you may...


But the post was a great read Carl.

 

GREAT WALL OF TEXT BATMAN!!!!111

 

It's to protect the teams from becoming like European sports, can you imagine no salary cap? Prokhorov would do exactly what Abramovich did to Chelsea, and that's to put way more money on the table than anyone can compete against, James would have a $50m offer on the table, so you'd end up with a bunch of arabs and russian billionaires owning teams and everyone else would just be ticking down to oblivion.

 

Except it is not subjective. Current NBA players are limited to around 25-30% of the salary cap. But before max salary was instituted...

Micheal Jordan Salary vs NBA Salary Cap
97 - $30 million vs $24 million = 125%
98 - $33 million vs $27 million = 122%

Basically, from salary cap terms, Micheal Jordan was getting paid the equivalent of Lebron, Wade, Bosh, and Joe Johnson COMBINED.

Hakeem vs NBA Salary Cap

97 - $9.6 mil vs $24 mil = 40%
98 - $11.1 mil vs $27 mil = 40%
(The rest of his contract pretty much works out similarly, and note that this was AFTER our championships when he was declining)

Shaq vs NBA Salary CAP: Signed as a FA and not as a resign, so cap actually matters a great deal here

97 - $10 mil vs $24 mil = 40%
98 - $13 mil vs $27 mil = 48%
99 - $15 mil vs $30 mil = 50%
00 - $17 mil vs $34 mil = 50%
etc.

Anyone who thinks Bosh/Wade/Lebron isn't worth more than max is basically ignorant of both the free market system, and the NBA pre-last few years.



As tinman

 

Great explanation.

 

That's a great post, but pointless when in terms on one person basing value in comparison to another...it's always subjective. The cap and limits are fine as you pointed out, and every player has the right to go for what they can get, as every owner is inclined to save what they can save...

That still has nothing to do with WHO values WHO, and for how much.

The CBA sets the guidelines for the limits on what they can spend, or as an example, some NY owner might offer Lebron an A-Rod type deal, when another owner, who likes Lebron, can say to himself, it's not worth it.

Worth is always subjective, there is no definitive line to be drawn, as each and every single person has a different ideal on what they find worthy.

Does every single owner in the NBA feel that Bosh is worth the max? I highly doubt it, are there quite a few that do, yes indeed, but i'm more than willing to bet there are owners who do not...of course that might not stop them from actually paying for it, when push comes to shove in the NBA.

 

You should read some economic books.