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A conservatives view on tonight's debate

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Fatty FatBastard, Oct 3, 2008.

  1. SamFisher

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    Answer my question.

    Which John McCain do you support?

    The one who is for gay marriage, said the Iraq war was hard, against tax cuts, against the confederate flag and the religious right?

    or

    The one who is for Jerry Falwell, the Confederate flag, more tax cuts, and hates gay marriage and thought iraq would be easy.

    Please advise. Thanks in advance.
     
  2. Old Man Rock

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    First answer my question. Will you be the groom or the bride at your wedding?
     
  3. SamFisher

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    Let's assume for the sake of argument that Obama did flip on gay marriage.

    What does that make John McCain?

    Answer my question.

    your principal argument against Obama is - at best - a complete wash, to be VERY generous to McCain.

    So what are you talking about again? :confused:
     
  4. FranchiseBlade

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    The information is not accurate and cherry picked to make it appear different than the reality.

    Obama on numerous occasions even back in 2007 before the primary dates you list here they are.

    His campaign being funded by 2 million donors is very public.

    It's not about just cutting or not cutting, it's about which cuts to have and which cuts not to have. Obama actually has both cuts and windfall taxes to put in place. Small businesses will have their capital gains taxes cut. Large mega-corporations however will see windfall taxes put into place under Obama's plan.
    So he says he's not in favor of status quo which would indicate he does favor reform. He "probably" wouldn't have supported those particular reforms at the time. That's not really that commital
    This is a perfect example of Obama being willing to not kill the good in search of the perfect, to work across the aisle, and get things accomplished. IT's a way to unify. Obama opposes the things he always has, but is willing to allow them as long as his ideas on clean fuel technology and alternative sources is also included. It's a way that has everyone being a winner. Again this type of decision making is what Obama's been talking about from the very beginning. It's part of what he was talking about when he mentioned change and working together which he's been doing since the 2004 convention. Very consistent.

    A lot of this is from a person writing on editorial and not Obama himself. He's right now on diplomacy and has been.
    Again nothing here says he believed Jerusalem should not be divided then changed and said it should be. There is no flip flop here to even comment on.

    Again see the above information on energy policy and Obama's consistent message on how change would work regarding legislation.
     
  5. FranchiseBlade

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    Answer my question, why do you care?

    Why are you trying to accuse Sam of being gay when he's not, and why would it matter if he was?
     
  6. BigBenito

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    I guess the repubs shouldn't have wasted so much time letting the nation know obama is black and muslim :rolleyes:
    And bravo going to the good ol' john kerry talking points.
     
  7. Old Man Rock

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    There you go again bringing up gay marriage. It is obvious that is the most important issue in this election to you and if that is the case then there is no one in this election for you to support your position. I do not oppose gay marriage and sincerely hope you find peace with this issue. Good luck.
     
  8. Old Man Rock

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    Sorry guys find someone else to debate. My position is Barrack Obama is at least a pandering flip flopper and at worst a liar. And as I know all of you would disagree but I leave you with this. Do you honestly believe that Obama, an intelligent Harvard Grad, in 20 years of listening to this man and having him mentor for him did not hear any of the following...

    <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/8M-kD0QdRJk&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/8M-kD0QdRJk&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

    If you or naive enough to believe that then I some Lehman stocks to sell you.

    Adios
     
  9. SamFisher

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    I accept your surrender - you tried to make a point, it blew up in your face - time for you to leave now.
     
  10. B-Bob

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    Wow 1 minute of tape out of approximately, what?... 75,000 minutes of preaching, minimum, over the last 25 years? What do you think of the other 74,999?

    Let's expose a bunch of other preachers to the same litmus test, including Hagee or whoever McCain's latest Christian-life-preserver is. Seriously, let's watch all minutes of all sermons and see if there's a completely whacky, offensive minute in there. If you do that, I have some predictions for you.

    silly
    The GOP shot this bullet way too early in the process, if it's their best shot.
     
  11. Old Man Rock

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    Now that's the perfect definition of a talking point. Spin God Damn America so that it is something every preacher says. I can assure you my pastor has never said that.

    By the way the GOP didn't shoot it. It was one of Hillary's number one attacking points.
     
  12. DaDakota

    DaDakota Rockets forever!
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    I can assure you that no one gives two craps what your pastor says....or his pastor says....or anyone's pastor says.

    Listen to what the CANDIDATES say....or are you saying that your pastor speaks for you in all things?

    No? Didn't think so.

    Every politician changes their mind when different evidence is presented....McCain does it, Obama does it....heck, I want a President that has that capability.....someone who can blink...AND THINK.

    DD
     
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  13. DonnyMost

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    Man, Obama opponents are really out of bullets...

    Argument shot down in flames, resort to posting Rev. Wright stuff and then storm off in anger...

    Sad existence.
     
  14. professorjay

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    You're complaining about talking points and then you regurgitate this topic again? Are you serious? LOL!
     
  15. drpepper

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    Anyone with half a brain takes Wrights comments with a grain of salt. The guy likes to have long rants about whatever is making him ill at the time. Jerry Falwell seems to have more focused and highly insensitive views and perspectives.

    For an independent, like myself, they cancel each other out.

    It's funny that McCain in going on the attack this month, He's gonna try and link Obama to Ayers and Wright, both of whom Obama has already renounced(think Hillary), but if Obama starts running ads featuring Falwell's inflammatory comments, McCain will have a very hard time rejecting his comments since it will piss off his base. Especially since he went out and got Falwells endorsement.
     

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