I'm saying.. a guy has a right to side with whatever he wants... and if he believes in something, and supports the cause, he becomes that thing. The way I see Morris as a Dem, is the way some lately have seen Lieberman as a Republican... Morris is a "known Dem" in that he aided the Clintons in elections, and in "damage control." He has done more as a "moderate" if anything. But his biggest contributions in politics have fallen on the Dem side. See what I'm getting at? If a "known Dem" happens to write a book about "liberals" and has the insight and know how to win over "Republicans" it does not eliminate the fact that he still was and is a "known Dem" - he's a moderate Dem.. and that is widely accepted. Lieberman has a lot of play on "conservative" media lately too... it does not mean he is no longer a Dem. Perhaps I should have said he falls into the "blue dog" category. If he was such a mercenary, just out for personal power, etc... why did he help the Clintons in Arkansas, and Washington DC? If he was not a Democrat, why do that? I wonder why? Why if he is not at least a "known Dem sympathizer" or a "known Dem at heart" would he help the Dem campaigns? Who has he officially supported on the "right" side? Name them... Has he? Known Dem, Dick Morris, happens to know how to appeal to Republicans... thus making him effective in the political arena as far as appealing to both sides, especially undecideds and moderates... In this era he lives in, he is a Dem by and large. Perhaps in the Reagan years he would have been a "Reagan Dem" but still a Dem. Why is that a wrong thing to surmise? Are you saying all Dems are strictly "liberals" like Obama?
He's advised Trent Lott and Pete Wilson according to this article. http://www.buyingofthepresident.org/index.php/interviews/dick_morris/ Additionally, the official synopsis of one of his books states that he's "helped many public officials (Democrats and Republicans alike) gain office." http://us.macmillan.com/thenewprince But, look, I don't post in D&D very much...I can admit that I don't know whether Morris is a Democrat or not (he may very well be), but I just thought that citing Morris as a guy who clearly leans Democrat (especially in recent history) was a little disingenuous.
I don't really know much about him politically, but I do know he is socially liberal. I think right now he's very bitter towards the democrats, but I imagine that politically he leans democratic socially.
I don't think Palin did that bad, pretty much on par with McCain and Obama's performances in the last debate. But geez was anyone even watching last night? Biden is a better debater than Obama, I don't think I've ever seen anyone debate like that during a presidential election before. Every single question it seemed had a direct response, followed by directly relevant evidence from past legislation that either he, Obama, or McCain were involved in. He also had great command of his emotions, injecting and withholding them where needed. And just think how hard for a moment it must be debating against a woman. It's tantamount to boxing her, except the scorecard is determined by public opinion.
fatty, your opinion is not more important than anyone else here. feel free to play in the same sandbox as everyone else.
I'm amazed that you can extrapolate the opinion of one Democrat (who has worked for Trent Lott, imagine that) into a condemnation of the left!
No, I think he just wants to post a point of view that has a snowball's chance in hell of not getting buried in an avalanche of criticisms. Looks like he might lose anyway... should have used a subtler headline.
I think in terms of substance Biden won going away but in terms of presentation and poise I might give Palin a narrow win. I think this was a case of Palin benefitting from low expectations since she didn't have a meltdown like she did in the Couric interviews she just needed to hold her own and appear competent which she did.
There are conservatives on this board that are able to get their point across without name-calling and with thoughtful back and forth on the issues. People confuse how approximately three posters on that side of the aisle are treated. It's not all because of their political views, it's how they're expressed. If some remember, there was a poster a month or so ago who was definitely liberal and was "buried in an avalanche of criticisms" by numerious liberals. I don't think anyone's ever really argued that this board doesn't have more liberals than conservatives which is what the OP argues anytime he posts here. Absolutely there are more liberals than conservatives here. I feel your pain as far as trying to get a point across when there are 4 posters to 1 ready to disagree with you. But if you make your point without the trashy name-calling and smearing, we'll listen. It's why guys like weslinder and Refman are two of my favorite posters in this forum (and why guys like you, MadMax, and BrianKagy were my favorites in the early years of the D&D). That said, I would have no problem with this thread had it not been for the first two lines. He started the thread with an attack and instantly started animosity which doesn't help when you are outnumbered.
I'm a amazed that anybody would call Dick Morris a "democrat" - he's about as much one as Sean Hannity. After his little hooker-scam he turned into a hardcore catholic and renounced the Clintons - and has specialized in making laughably bad political prognostication since: (Edit: wait I see IROC it was the one who was posting that, I guess it's not so amazing then) I found this bit from his Wiki page funny:
I thought Fatty's opening two lines were pretty clever; I thought the "Hey kids..." was kind of demeaning but, in fact, it is addressed to anyone who reads the thread. It's just "Fatty Being Fatty." I endeavor to be respectful of everyone. Most people are great. SamFisher tries my patience and gets my goose now and then, but I've still resisted the IGNORE function with him because I recognize that he is smart about a lot of this stuff so I want to hear what he has to say. Unfortunately, he is more interested in taunting and demeaning that in sharing what he know so I'm waiting for Godot there....
Perhaps the court of public opinion is giving points to Palin for taking the "beating" and not breaking down and remaining poised. I thought both seemed genuine and that was refreshing.(not that McCain and Obama weren't, but you see it so many times the candidates come off as phony)
I came away from the debate thinking Biden was a jedi master and Obama was his padawan. Seriously though, Biden was very good. I really liked how both of them seemed to genuinely enjoy the debate. That's very rare. They seemed to have a very good time and there was zero animosity between the two.
It is asinine to say that Palin won the debate based on policy argumentation. She was extremely superficial - even when she would start to attempt to score a political hit against Biden she never followed through - with specifics or sometimes general responses. He didn't even have to put up much of a defense and she would either let it go or repeat the same thing he refuted. She did, however, perform her folksy outsider act and that will score well. Basically, I think they talked each other to a meaningless draw. I doubt they did anything to help themselves or their candidate.
Biden talked about specific issues and made specific points. Palin spoke in rehearsed lines with no details.
Sorry Fatty but your right and wrong. I thought neither VP candidates "Owned" the other but you are dead wrong if you thought Biden and Palin came out even. I was prepared for Palin to come out more prepared and ready to answer several key issues but looking at the responses of both candidates, and it shows how much more ready more experienced Biden was. Palin didn't even answer some questions and when she got bitten by the clueless bug she reverted back to her energy expertise in Alaska or talked about McCain being a Maverick. Look like I and 99% of the posters on this board thought Palin really came out better than expected (The problem was that the expectations were set so low that the only place she can go was up). Now for Biden he really exceeded my expectations because I haven't seen him debate like this. I think Biden is more qualified than any candidates we have now. So did they come out even? Hell NO
