just because some of the pro-war people are anti-muslim makes the anti-war people anti-semites? Those are some pretty broad accusations. You and dubious are the only ones in this thread who have made explicit references to his religious beliefs. Please state where the "anti-war" crowd has made reference to his religion at all in this thread. It's pretty sad that you have to make false accusations to try to cover up the slamming you are getting in this thread.
what in the world are you talkin about? leave our brothers to the mercy of saddam? hell no, thats a main reason why the muslims supported the usa establish their base in saudi, and other middle easter countries. leave our brothers to the mercy of other terrorists (who still arent proven to be "buddies" of saddam any more than they are "buddies" of bush) thats why we let the troops into pakistan, turkey, and tons of other MUSLIM countries for the war in afghanistan!
Democratic party is anti-semitic? Perhaps you should ask Lieberman, since he still is a Democrat and shows no inclination of switching parties. Or even better asks Russ Feingold. He's a Democrat, against the War and Jewish. I'm sure he would agree with you that the Democrats and anti-war crowd are rife with anti-semitism.
Basso, do you believe we are in the jaws of victory in Iraq? Is that what you believe our current status is in Iraq?
Congratulations. As a Jew who opposes the war in Iraq, after reading the above post, I can now safely say that you are certifiably insane.
i'm not making it up...an older article, but no less germane http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110003061 -- The Antiwar Anti-Semites Peace protest organizers tolerate no dissent. BY MICHAEL LERNER Wednesday, February 12, 2003 12:01 a.m. SAN FRANCISCO--Imagine my surprise when I found out that I am banned from speaking at a peace rally here this Sunday. As editor of Tikkun, the largest-circulation liberal Jewish magazine in the world, I have been an outspoken critic of the proposed war in Iraq. I have also unequivocally condemned Saddam Hussein's brutality and called for the world community to bring him to justice for crimes against humanity. But we at Tikkun do not believe that this war--in which thousands of Iraqi civilians are likely to die--will bring democracy to the Middle East. Instead, it is bound to increase the threat of terrorism to American citizens and provoke more violence. It will also fuel American fantasies of world economic and political domination. So why was I being blackballed over the peace rally? My sin was publicly criticizing the way that A.N.S.W.E.R., one of the four groups sponsoring the San Francisco demonstration, has used the antiwar demonstrations to put forward anti-Israel propaganda. An A.N.S.W.E.R. spokesperson, speaking on the Brian Lehrer show on WNYC, said that they didn't want a "pro-Israel" speaker at their rally. The other groups have said that while they disagree with A.N.S.W.E.R., they will honor an agreement giving each group an effective veto on speakers. Yet it is inconceivable that these antiwar coalitions would let A.N.S.W.E.R. ban a speaker if he accused that group of racism, sexism or homophobia. Why should anti-Semitism be treated differently, as the acceptable -ism? It is outrageous that those of us who wish to protest against what we see as a fundamentally unjust war must be subjected to a barrage of slogans and speeches that are one-sidedly hostile to Israel. That is just as outrageous as some in the Jewish community claiming that our opposition to war makes us champions of Palestinian groups which use terror and violence against Israeli civilians. There is a huge difference between criticism of Ariel Sharon's repressive treatment of the Palestinian people and a refusal to accept the fundamental legitimacy of Israel's existence. For years, those of us who want democratic rights for Palestinians have been dubbed "self-hating Jews" by right-wingers in the Jewish world. Now, some on the left insist that if we support human rights we must also uncritically support the violence of some Palestinian "freedom fighters" who make no secret of their desire to overthrow the Zionist enterprise. That's why we recently created a new national organization supporting a "progressive middle path" that is both pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian. We call for an end to the occupation, the creation of a Palestinian state and reparations for Palestinian refugees. But we also call for reparations for Jews who fled Arab states, and for Israel's admission into NATO--or some other equally powerful military alliance--to give the Jewish state genuine security. The most painful thing has been watching other antiwar groups make unprincipled compromises with A.N.S.W.E.R. As a result, there is support on the left for self-determination for every group in the world except the Jewish people. Fellow progressive Jews, some anxious to speak at these rallies, have urged me to keep quiet about anti-Semitism on the left. After all, they say, stopping the war against Iraq is so much more important. Why should we have to choose? Tikkun will be bringing thousands of our supporters to the demonstration Sunday. But just as we fought against the sexism and homophobia that once infected the left, we will challenge anti-Semitism and Israel-bashing on the left, even as we say "no" to a war with Iraq. Rabbi Lerner, editor of Tikkun magazine and www.tikkun.org, is the author of "Healing Israel/Palestine," to be published in July by North Atlantic Books. He is rabbi of the Beyt Tikkun synagogue in San Francisco.
"Let us not assassinate this lad further, Senator. You have done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?" Keep D&D Civil.
basso- don't you know that Jews are a hotbed of communist sympathizers? If we hated jews, we would be unable to recruit fellow travelers to our cause.
You still need to explain the grounds for accusing the anti-war people here for being anti-semites...I still don't see anyone here acting uncomfortable because of his religion, I believe, in fact, basso was the one who brought it up in the first place.
Israel is a country, not a religion and if you knew anything about Joe, you would know he is the Senate's strongest proponent of Israel. And Israel does have a lot of influence in our foreign policy. If that's "obvious" to you, you indeed need to get your head checked.
The guy is an orthodox Jew who always espouses conservative values in legislation and deep support with Israel through legislation. Making that distinction makes me an anti-semite? A Conservative rushing to fling charges of racism... Does anyone find that ironic?
Yes, it is pretty obvious, calling somebody a ho = anti semitic, this is especially obvious to any observers who are complete idiots whose heads are being compressed by their own sphincter.
Careful there, calling him a complete idiot whose head is being compressed by his own sphincter might cause him to call you a homophobe. I mean....it's "obvious".
