Let's remove Artest from a vacuum and answer this question: Ron-Ron has said he's looking for a 5-year/$65mm deal. SO: Would you want the terrifically talented but troubled Ron Artest with that kind of contract on the books?
Quoted for truth. Except for a few minor incidents here and there, he hasn't caused any problems since he demanded a trade from Indiana. That's what, 3 years? If there's any hope we can get him, I hope Morey is on the phone.
artest is strange i can see him wanting crazy money but then it wouldnt surprise me at all if he signs with some time for like 5 years at 25 million. but yeah count me in on the artest bandwagon the only question in that i would be willing to send out anyone outside of yao, tracy,scola, rafer (yes what other PG would we have?) to get him. my only question is that he had some issues of not being the man in indiana when he had o'neal on the team. i dont know how he would being the clear 3rd fiddle on this team especially when he was like at worst option 1b on that sac team. i dont know adeleman's relationship with ron, but if adeleman thinks he will help the team then i hope morey tries to pursue ron. i have faith in adeleman's ability to coach players to the best of their ability despite any prior labels on them
I know it's a big "IF", but IF I knew that Artest wasn't going to cause so much trouble so as to get suspended for tons of games or leave the team in disarray, that is actually a very good deal. I mean if Carter (and I like Carter) can get 60M for 3 years, and Rashard ****ing Lewis can get 125 million for 5-6 years, Artest is definitely worth 5/65... The only question is whether we can pull it off in the first place. It would need to be a sign and trade.
I believe they're already well over the cap, and well into luxury tax territory. If they were going to get Artest, he'd either have to be willing to sign dirt cheap (and why would anyone want to play for Dallas for cheap right now? even if he wants to play with Carlisle), or Dallas would have to pull off a miraculous S&T.
Might Kings - Cubes be wheeling'n'dealing Artest - Howard? That's a fair 'piece' all the way around IMHO.
Nor do I. Artest could single handedly make the Mavs relevant again. He plays with the fire they've been missing since they lost to the Warriors.
this would make you go after him just to keep him away from a rival such as dallas. S\T for battier, and brooks and a throw in
Its not a hard deal as people think. I'm no cap guru, but I've read enough of the cba and player contracts to say how this deal can work. Follow me on this one. Artest makes 7.5m or so this season with a eto for the last year at 8m or so. The rox are over the cap, but they have a couple of reasonable contracts. Here is the deal. After the season get permission from the kings to speak with artest about a extension to keep him from the eto. Artest knows with the limited teams with cap room, if he eto, he can't get any better than mle if the kings just want to be ugly about the situation. The rox offer him a 3yr 45m extension to the contract. That give hime basically a 4 yr 53m contract to end his career. He agrees. Now u go back to the Kings and ask what compensation do you want to meet the 8m. Since the rox are over the cap, the have to be within 25% of his salary. That means the rox have to get to 6.25m of salary. Battier or Jackson alone gets u there. The kings will also probably want either a young talent or a pick. Jackson, head, and the pick gets the rox to the money. Jackson and head come off the books after this season or could be moved for another contract. The pick gives them 3 1st rd picks in this yrs draft to rebuild. The kings give artest the extension that the rox agreed to and artest is a rox. To really set this up for long term rox success is that Mcgrady has 2 yrs and Yao has 3 after this season. The Rox could move Battier for Jarret Jack and Outlaw who have 2 yrs left. They could also move rafer for rafer and a signed landry for tim thomas. Now the rox with thomas, outlaw, and tracy coming off the books and only Yao and Artest on the books have a legit shot at Lebron James. Now you have James,Yao,Brooks,Scola,and Artest as your starters and ur still in the mix for a ring. Everyone has James going to ny,but if the rox have a clearly better chance of winning plus the money is the same, houston is the 4th market in the u.s. Making the Artest deal makes sense in the long and short haul.
i agree with you almost totally. the only thing i would tweek in there is more than likely it will be battier and brooks for artest, and then you turn around and move bobby jackson and head for mike miller and one of there young pg on the roster. It still gets you to where you are going which makes a whole lot of sense, but it would give us a greater chance of winning now with mike miller coming off the bench and artest giving us that defense and fire that battier brought but I do like your thinking there.
I would do what it takes to get him.... Battier , head , 1st round pick .... whatever and when Mcgrady is staying away from contact and Yao is crying he will pick up the slack in a variety of ways...
Maybe I'm wrong, but Artest does not seem dependable. He seems to be wired differently. I can imagine Yao being out for 3 weeks -> foot, Tracy being out for 2 weeks back, and Artest being suspended for 10 games because of fighting (etc). I would really like some more dependability for this team and I don't think Artest brings that. However, dude can play some ball...
drich- The reason why I don't think they want shane is he has 4 yrs left and they're in rebuild mode. The cap room created by jax and head, plus the 1st rd pick makes more sense. Battier to a young team like portland seems like more of a fit. Outlaw and jack fits also. Outlaw fits the bill playing behind tracy and artest for 30 mins per. Jack gives the rox the bigger pg to split time with brooks after rafer is moved. I know people like miller, but I'd much rather have a young, atheletic guy like outlaw who is getting better. Miller worries me wth his lack of toughness and disappearence in the playoffs. That's just me.
putting it like that does make alot of sense, but i was just thinking of getting that shooter in mike miller. Mike really has not had a chance to show what he will do in the playoffs since he has matured and developed into the player that he is now. I am man enough to say that you bring up great points, but I know for a fact that Sac. town do like Brooks and i really think he is the one rookie I would let go. We would have no shooters with that lineup which I will be the first to say as long as you score some how I could care less if you are a shooter or a slasher so as long as it works I am all for it.
