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A "Chris Paul is frickin AMAZING" thread

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by DreaMac, Mar 29, 2009.

  1. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    Paul is good but people talk about him like he is the next coming of Zeke. I just think Paul is overhyped. He's currently Tracy McGrady in my book.
     
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    further proof the offensive flopping/flailing is far far far far worse than defensive taking a charge flopping... it is a blight on the league, but really a clear result of the long history of star players getting favourable calls, todays star players have just taken that opening a run (fallen) with it
     
  3. Dave_78

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    Paul is a phenomenal talent but the guy is such an immature little prick that not only is it hard to root for him but it's hard to see him being able to lead a team to a Championship unless he matures significantly.
     
  4. Super Von

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    Shameless flopper. Id have to say he's probably the worst in the game right now, even worse than Dirk. Its hard to give respect to a guy who plays the game that way.

    Its pretty pathetic.
     
  5. Super Von

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    What is disgusting is he got two free throws.
     
  6. durvasa

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    What are some things that Isiah Thomas, at his peak, was better at compared to Chris Paul?
     
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    Hate to say it. But I like Deron Williams better. He is like the perfect PG. And more liked than C3PO.
     
  8. PointForward

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    um, that's a challenging one:

    SCORING?
    driving to the basket?
    actually WINNING, ya know, when it counts, in the post season..

    I hate Isiah's guts, both as a player and as a coach, but comparing paul to him is a disgrace.. the guy is one of the greatest guards of all time, and he played at a time when handchecking was the norm, let alone the insane preferential ref treatment that Paul gets..
     
  9. Easy

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    Can someone post the video of Paul punching an opposing player's nuts while the refs weren't looking? I think that was in his college days.
     
  10. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    Don't forget defense and not having to dominate the ball to get his numbers.
     
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    Composure
    Poise
    Leadership
    Playing the game the right way
     
  12. pmac

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    I'm up, that's atleast 2 out of 3.
     
  13. pmac

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    ...and these are all VERY subjective. Not much evidence to prove that Deron Williams has any more of these qualities than CP.
     
  14. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    Just watch the clips on how the game was played back in the 80's and 90's. There was no protected semicircle, there was hand checking rules, you also impede peoples progress to the basket, and there were no flagrants. People fouled and fouled hard.
     
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    I'm with you on this.

    Isiah did have strength on Paul, though. Absorbed contact better, could body up stronger guys while still being a quick player, etc.

    Aside from that.. yeah, experience, but that will come for Paul.
     
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    The rule changes have significantly shifted dominance to the perimeter players from the big men. The zone rule makes it more difficult for low post players to get the ball. The hand check rule make it a lot easier for penetration. The semi-circle also makes protecting the basket from driving guards a lot harder.

    So yes, comparing today's guards with the past isn't totally fair.
     
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    Um, not hard to show a player lose his poise or composure. And Paul has done it very blatantly in 2 games over the last 2 years just against the Rockets. Both were in New Orleans if I recall correctly. I don't watch him enough to give any other examples, but I would be very surprised if this phenomenon is only specific to the Rockets. Paul don't like it when you muscle up on him and he doesnt get the bailouts on non-contact flops.

    And if he isn't the one losing his poise, and it only rubs off on him from players like Chandler, West, Posey, etc then that is not very good leadership from him. Heck, if he is NOT like that, then he should be getting onto his teammates for it because its making games more difficult for them to win.

    Last but certainly not least, is playing the game the right way. I think Paul is just as competitive as Zeke, but I never saw Zeke fall down because a defender touched him on a full court press.
     
  18. pmac

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    Now, this is a point i understand. I watched 90's ball, yes it was very different. But, i didn't think we were comparing different eras anymore. The discussion had moved to CP3 vs. DW who play in the same era, there are hand checking rules.

    I could argue that Wade would be simply a good player with hand checking. I could say that Kobe would be better without zone defenses and those same zone defenses would give MJ trouble...and Wilt would never drop 100 with bigger more athletic guys defending him...etc, etc. Arguing how another player would play in another era is pointless and it goes nowhere. All we have to examine is how players perform(ed) against their peers.

    I KNOW CP is dominating his competition at the PG position.
     
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    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    When Paul gets to the finals and goes toe to toe with greats of this era(Kobe, Lebron, Wade) in the playoffs and comes up on top, I will give him credit as one of the best. Until then, he will be equivalent to Tracy McGrady in my book.
     
  20. kaleidosky

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    so I guess you never gave Stockton any credit
     

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