If you want to get into networking then go get a CCNA book. Go out there and download Dynamips. It's a router simulator. You will have to get someone with Cisco Online access to get the actual IOS for the routers to run. Learn how to get Dynamips set up. It'll be a chore in and of itself. You'll learn a lot messing around in an actual router IOS. Get the CCNA cert and study for more. All the while applying for junior level engineer jobs. If you get the CCNP, paper cert or not someone will eventually give you a chance.
Or you could just buy some old cisco routers and set up a lab. I bought two cisco 2500 routers for like $25 each. They are old as dirt, but you can still learn the ios.
You'll miss out on a lot. You can't run any of the new features. With Dynamips you can even learn the switch side since the 3845 routers an have ESW cards in them. I'm currently using this software to study for my second CCIE. I used six 2500s for my first one ten years ago and boy do I wish I had this software back then.
Hmmm. Sounds interesting. I do know that I can't execute some of the newer ios commands so I may decide to get that if I ever decide to go beyond the CCNA. Right now I've already bought a 2500, 2514, and 2950 Catalyst Switch.
Thanks for all the infos .. I think I maded up my mind on this A+ cert. I just feel I want to learn and know more about the IT field and improve my qualifications before I graduate this summer. Even though I'm graduating this summer ..... I feel like I only know pretty much the basic level of everything I'm learning right now at school. Networking, Program Lang., Web Design, Hardware, JAVA, Database I just wanted to increase my knowledge on some of these or whatever is good to know in todays IT field. Reading something and passing a test with an A doesnt equal to any hands on practice. Even though I can ace an exam in these subject I dont think I can explain the actual way of how some of these works if I had to do it in person.
There's one cardinal rule in IT: DON'T FALL IN LOVE WITH A TECHNOLOGY Everything changes overnight. If you're a developer, don't fall in love with a language. It's gonna be legacy someday soon. If you're a hardware/network guy, today's hardware is tomorrow's garbage. If you're an application admin, or you're proud of a program you wrote, lose that love because it's gonna be crap tomorrow. Overnight change is the very nature of this business. If you don't adapt, management will replace your job with a very small batch script.
I'm in the same boat. Been doing support for the past eight years and finally gotten to the point that I really just want to change careers totally. Everything seems so overwhelming as far as these certs.
So pretty much I'm just wondering ... after I get my CIS degree and try to get an entry level job. Do most of the other stuff you learn, comes from the companies that you work for thur their training or should you keep learning on your own like networking ect. IT just seems so broad and so much out there and different direction to go unlike other degree.
I think Dynamips/Dynagen is the way to go. I don't know if we can link other forums here, but this is a good sticky on how to do it. http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1414407
It's extremely broad. That's like saying I'm studying business... or work in business. Care to elaborate?! For the most part, I think networking and project management makes more than systems or programming. I could be wrong but that's my experience. I know a surprising number of people in those two fields that make more than $200k.
If I"m interested in Network side of IT even though I'm not too familiar with it from a business/corp. stand point. Do I need to study more on my own outside of what's school is teaching and try to get the NETWORK cert. Or will I be able to learn most of it from just looking for work in Networking position and try to grow from there?
I think we both know the best answer would be both. You need one or the other to get into the network side straight out of college. Try and get the network+, and if its available to you, the cisco route. Those 2 would get you into an entry level network job. I would also try and intern as a network assistant somewhere if you could. On the job, hands on training is probably the best way to learn it. Also keep in mind that even with certs, they want someone that can comprehend what they just did. Why something just happened, and what made it happen, and explain to them how to stop it from happening again. Being able to process the information will go further than just regurgitating facts. There's so many aspects to IT, you might figure out you don't even want to go into network. There's systems development, linux admin, web admin, help desk, storage management, windows servers, etc. It's alot of fun, atleast it is for me. Good luck, and have fun with it.
If you are graduating with a CIS degree, you don't need to waste your money on A+. As someone that got the A+ years ago through an old job, it's essentially worthless these days. I'd only recommend it for someone just getting into IT so they can get a basic foundation. The knowledge you'll get from it won't be much more than you already know and you likely won't use most of it anyway. Take the advice of others and go for anything Cisco related.
I am also a technology manager in the field for 15+ years. I would absolutely not make any hiring decisions based on the A+ cert nor have I ever known anybody that values that cert. THAT SAID, the simple act of studying for the exam can be personally challenging and is a great opportunity to learn. People who immediately disregard all certs as 'useless' is as telling to me, as a hiring manager, as the certs themselves. I'm often a little suspicious of people who tell you certs are a waste of time because that tells me, as a hiring manager, that you have the type of personality that avoids challenges. ALSO, most IT jobs these days go through agencies. All those folks do is scavange your resume for key words. If A+ cert was given to the agency as a requirement, you'll be immediately overlooked if you don't have that listed. Recommendation: Don't skip spring break for this. Wait till summer and then do it because there isn't a lot of value in having it as it relates to getting a job ...but it doesn't hurt to have it. Once you get it, list at the BOTTOM on your resume all of your certs including A+. Most hiring manager don't really care about what certs you have (hence the reason to put it near the bottom) but you need the verbiage on there in case somebody performs a keyword search against your resume. Also putting it on the bottom shows that you aren't "trying too hard" by listing it right at the top but does show you are willing to put in the work to get the certs. Finally: Get more certs too. Also, and most importantly, experience trumps all certs. Not much help as you look for entry level spots but if you have summer experience or real-life things, list that as prominently as possible on your resume.
I think I maded up my mind on trying to study and read up on other subjects of IT instead of the A+ cert. I'm just trying to find a way to understand more clearly about Networking, since I dont believe this one class of Networking at my school is going to teach me too much but the basic. Also, I heard that is very hard to pass the NETWORK CERT. by just reading and studying for it, that you need to have worked or have experience with it hands on to really understand it. Is that correct? I'm graduating after this summer in July, just thinking of what's the best way to get into a entry level Networking position .... would the CIS degree be enough? When they ask for you GPA on some online application ... do you put your OVERALL GPA or just your MAJOR GPA? as my MAJOR GPA is more higher at 3.15
I'm actually trying to find any entry level position right now before I graduate but lack experience on my resume.