A Canary In The Mine: An Open Plea To All CCF Rockets Fans ( Please Read )

What team were you watching? As much as I love the Rockets, and absolutely savor every moment of those championship years, I could never in my wildest dreams call them them a "well oiled machine with no errors." Well, I guess Mad Max was well oiled, but that it is as far as I'm willing to go.

 

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What if you got rob by a black person Would you labelled or treated all black person as criminals?
What about black doctor, judge..etc?
What about white or Asian criminals?

You see what I am saying?

Individual's mistake or behavior should be dealt with as individual and not by assuming/stereotyping the entire population.

 

Sorry if you felt that it is not belong here.
However, we are talking about the confrontation between group of people that cause the unpeaceful environment to the board, aren't we?
I am pointing out what I see as a cause of it, discrimination.

 

I was shaking my head in total agreement with most of your statements in this post until I got to the last statment "Respect, civility, trust-these should be given to all". I think that these three things are earned, not due, on a person by person basis based on that's person's character and merits. I also think the rest of your post agrees with my statement. Other than that, I wish more people in America thought in the way you outlined above. I believe political correctness was an idea with good intentions in it's beginning, but it is now out of control and doing more harm than good.

 

Based on my experience, I think the Yao-Only Fan gives pretty good indication that they favor one player while despising the rest of the team. If they truly follow the team just for Yao and really don't care for the Rox, why the shame in being labelled a Yao-Only fan? Answer: There should be no shame in it. The ONLY part of the label boils down the fact that such fans care ONLY about Yao. For the record, I think most ALL the BBS posters are Yao fans. But not all of us root for Yao ONLY. Else, this BBS might have very well been renamed the YaoOnlyFans BBS. I think this is an important distinction b/c I sincerely question the loyalty of such fans to the ROCKET TEAM. And for the very reasons that some posters have pointed out, "if Yao were to leave, would your loyalties leave with him too," and judging by the responses, I gather that for many Yao-ONLY fans, the answer is unquestionably yes.

As of today, Yao is on the Rockets and the Rockets embrace Yao. Yet to have so many potentially disloyal fans just ready to bash (1) Rox management for not giving Yao more love, (2) JVG for not "giving Yao the ball more", (3) Francis and Mobley for being selfish, etc. irks me. It's like the customer you DONT want to have going to your business -- the ones who are not brand loyal. Yao could have just as easily failed and been labelled a bust last season, given the rough start he went through. Thank RudyT for having continued confidence in him. Yet Yao-ONLY fans didn't see it that way and got conspicuously quiet when he was failing. I wonder sometimes whether YOFs would be nearly as vocal if Yao was NOT performing up to snuff.

Anyways, just like in society, you will find many "singularly minded" peoples who can only see things "one-way." However you would like to describe it, whether it's stupid, biased, backwards, etc., depends on your POV, but to me, such thinking is an invitation for stereotyping. If anyone feels that they are wrongfully labelled as a YOF, then feel free to speak up. Nothing on the BBS prevents you from not doing so.



theSAGE

 

Deuce Rings, you have a good ey... errr... rather.. DISCRIMINATING eye.

That last line was actually a typo... here's how it should have read.

Respect, civility, trust -- these should be A given to all.

But you're absolutely right, trust is earned, not due.



theSAGE

 

With Ming they will be better. As you are already seeing, Yao is demanding more double teams. Mobley and Francis are getting better looks. Mobley is shooting better than he ever has. Francis has struggled a bit, but he is also working to be more of a JVG player. He's coming around, just give him time like you're giving Yao time.

Sounds like you love 'em when they win and hate 'em when they lose. I think I just heard the Corporate Houston Sports Fan Club deliver your membership card.

I'm sure there are some, but not likely a majority since most of these posters hadn't heard of Steve Francis, Cuttino Mobley or the Houston Rockets until the team won the lottery pick used to select Yao Ming.

 

Dude, this is the interweb. This whole thing is about everybody
getting there two cents in.

 

Um, I don't think anyone here said that all Yao-Only fans are Asian and all Steve-Only fans are white/black. There are plenty of Yao-only fans who are American (white, asian, ect). And there are plenty of Asian Steve-Only fans. And there are plenty of asian, black, and white fans who are neither.

 

I say we create a new forum: Steve v Yao! This will keep things in tune and create a semisubvertive form of censoring. Moving alledged Yao only and Steve only comments to this forum as needed. And, we should appoint a moderator for the board in general and appoint a moderator for the Steve only v Yao only forum......

Jesting aside.....I agree in philosophy with MB, there are certain realities to contend with. This board has only intensified since Yao came along. the player v player arguments has always existed here with Hakeem v Francis, Drexler v Barkley...etc. and it exists on every team debate and I submit every fan site in the NBA. I think regulating our comments should be the theme, like Clutch mentioned a couple weeks ago to keep the board clean. But, the case is being overstated....everyone has an agenda and as long as we are clear and do not personalize it....you have choices.....

 

OK! Let continue if the moderator would not have us move it to other part of forum.

You are right that people should not be ashame of who they are.
I do not think that Yao-only fan are ashame of being Yao-only fan.
I do not ashame of being Asian.

However, since this labelled is created, its meaning has changed to "people who are Yao's fan", "people who are new fan because of Yao". It also carries the negative as being stupid and not have basketball knowledge with it.
When it is used by other posters (may be not you) it is used as an insult.
Even the slight indication in a debate that you are supporting Yao that person will be quickly labelled and their opinion dismiss as Yao-only fan.

Why should people who are new fans or Yao fans have to defend that they are not like the stereoptype that being given to them?
They should be respect and treated as individual in the first place.

 

Hey, I believe it -- they make me want to barf sometimes (although not as much as last year).

 

So why do I have a "discriminating" eye?????? The only thing I discriminate against is stupidity and incompetence. If that's what you meant then I'm in total agreement. If this is a comment based on how many Americans would view my statement in my last post ("political correctness had good intentions in its beginnings but is now out of control and doing more harm than good") then feel free to point out how making this statement makes me discriminatory or a bigot. If I misread your statement, then I apologize in advance, but in our society today, it's hard to tell when a person is stating their true feelings or what society expects them to say while they hide their true feelings. In fact, with PC, it is hard at times to even catch the true meaning of some people's public statements.

 

True, the gags were much better last year. (Thank goodness)

 

That's where it gets murkey. As me and many other have pointed out such a label can easily be mis-applied. And it's annoying.

IMO, a truely intelligent fan "follow the team just for Yao", also understands the importance of Rockets success to Yao, and will care and root for Rockets as long as Yao is here. Only sputid Yao-only-fans root for Yao only and doesn't care for Rockets at all, and thus stay true to the label of Yao-only-fan.

Precisely because the label of YOF has a connotion of them "cares only about Yao, not rockets", it actually does true "yao-only-fan" disservice by sticking this lable around. There should be no shame in being a YOF, but the label YOF doesn't really fit YOF.

So subtle, that's our society.

 

I did not mean that anyone think that yao-only fan are only Asians either.
I gave the example about race because thesage pointed out that the stereotype of yao-only fan was created by his encounter with individuals who are Yao's fan and are new fans because of Yao.
He felt that this group of people are not supporting the rocket.

What is the different between the situation here and when you associate such behavior of individual to his/her race then labelling the whole race of having that behavior?

That was my point.

 

Just pullin' your leg, Deuce!
We're both on the same page!



theSAGE

 

This thread is like a six page long prosaic rendering of a Dr. Phil episode.

 

And let me add that a true YOF should care about SF and Cat also, since they are Yao's teammates, and basketball is a team sport. Yao can not win alone.

 

Boy, this brings me back to grammar school. Where's MacBeth and his Guide to Grammar Book when you need him/her? Maybe we should put the ONLY beforeYao - so now we have the ONLY-Yao Fan, i.e. the OYF instead of the YOF. lol

Actually, you make good points michecon. There really should be no shame to being a YOF. It's the OYFs, or was that FYOs?, or OFYs?... anyways, I digress. It's ok to favor/root for just one player. People do it all the time.



theSAGE