A Canary In The Mine: An Open Plea To All CCF Rockets Fans ( Please Read )

For a start, can we all stop using the phrase 'yao-only fan', EVER ??? Please, What's the point of that ??? If you don't agree with someone, argue with him, don't label a group name. Just argue the issue at hand, don't call names. Even 'you are stupid' is WAYyyyyy better than 'you are a stupid yao-only fan'.

 

even 'you are a f********* idiot' is more intelligent than saying 'you are a stupid yao-only fan'.

I will not use that phrase from today on, it only makes more people join the fight.

 

"Yao-only fan" is a term that's being labled upon people as freely as people throw around "unpatriotic" nowadays. It's not always fair, and often not right, but that doesn't mean these people don't exist. There ARE Yao-only fans out there. Although being one doesn't mean one is inherently stupid because of it. Nor does it mean that their opinion doesn't matter. But they often have completely different agendas and goals for the team than some others.

But creating threads to bash a group of people for no particular reason is crossing the line, even if they're not liked very much. The best thing to do is just ignore the people. And it's hard sometimes, but oh well. I hadn't ever put anyone on ignore until after the Dallas game, and ever since then I've been giving the list quite the workout.

 

Have you ever argued with a child? You can't because it's pointless. You're looking at things from 2 completely different vantage points.

Same thing here.

Most Yao only fans have the basketball IQ of -20. They know very little about NBA basketball. They may pick up a little here and there and then use it to come to a nonsensical conclusion.

Example:

"WNBA" complaining that Yao has only taken 6 shots.

Explanation: He's also taken 6 FT's (fouls in the act of shooting) which are the equivalent of 3 FG attempts.

Then you get this genius:

yipengzhao
"Whoa there, that's news to me. Since when do FT's equal 1/2 a shot attempt. Missed FG when fouled is like a walk in baseball dude... don't be hatin".

Uh yes but if youre looking at whether a player is getting FG opportunities, FT's are a consideration. So for example if Shaq is fouled 30 times in the act of shooting and he gets 15 FT's, he still has 0 official FG's. However, he is still getting shot opportunties.

The fact you even have to explain these things makes it unbearable.

I don't have a problem with someone being a Yao only fan. My problem is the majority of them have 0 understanding of basketball which makes it tough in a basketball bbs.

 

Hey MacBeth, if I understand you correctly, you're saying that our posts and threads on this board start out as good basketball conversations, but no matter the original intention of the thread, it boils down into a fight about Yao vs. Steve. Which brings me to my next point: Steve!!!!! just kidding.

I don't think there's a way around it right now because the conversations on this board somewhat reflect the roster turmoil of the actual Rockets team, so a lot of discussions will have some aspect of Steve vs. Yao, or more fittingly old style vs. new style.

Another factor is that the Rockets are gaining respect & popularity, so with more buzz will come more basketball-uneducated fans. These additional fans don't know much else to say than the unoriginal Yao!/Steve! or TradeEveryone! so we'll see more than the normal share of that stuff on the board.

Solution? How can we find a way to keep threads from degenerating? Very difficult to say. Maybe it will end/lessen when current team roles are much more solidified and the BBS changes accordingly. Another option is for the better posters to simply ignore/skim past the thread-wasting posts and post normally, in order to maintain the integrity of the basketball conversation.

 

They aren't dismissed, their opinions are argued against based on what they say down to every syllable. The "yao only" is thrown in mercifully because it is better to be that than just a moron.

Seriously though, Sam Fisher, myself, Franchiseblade, we don't just dismiss the opinions, we try to get them to explain why "steve francis suks," or why they start threads under false premises like the "Can Cat and Yao Coexist" thread.

http://bbs.clutchcity.net/php3/showthread.php?s=&threadid=68821

Read the first post. That is a perfect example of what a "yao only" fan is. His reasons for starting that thread, the backbone of his argument as it were, turn out to be false. I try and get that guy and others to prove the statements attributed to Mobley were true. They wouldn't budge, telling me to do the research. Of course, it turns out that the premises were indeed false and now we have a huge thread that didn't even need to exist.

Jag, I think you know full well what I'm up against, think about how things degenerate when you try and prove a point in the D&D.

 

I don't have a clue but my chariot is burned to a crisp.

 

MacB,

It's great to see you identified the problem & addressed the issue in this thread. Personally, I think it's still a far reach for most people to stop the labelling & negativity all at once. However, I don't think it's impossible for implementing these concepts in threads started by yourself. There are a few things I think you & others sharing the same sentiment can do & have some control on:

1) Specify some rules & guidelines you would like the participants to follow in the starting post of all your threads. such as:

- Labelling, name calling is not allowing in this thread
- Free posts with no-substance such as "Not another longwinded post again!", "Why no one calling MacB a Yao-only fan?" ...etc are not allowed in this thread
- This thread is only for posts showing intelligence, legitimacy, or objectivity, as opposed to just intelligence

2) Those who don't follow these guidelines will be ignored & won't deserve a response from you/other posters in your thread.

3) Those who constantly violated the rules in your threads will made your ignore list permanently & will also be despised by other members.

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I'm sure for those who respected you as a good poster here will follow these guidelines in your thread, if not the other threads.

If you set a good example in your own thread, I'm sure all the other good posters will also follow these guidelines in other threads & improve the overall quality of the GARM.

 

1. Most posters are fairly reasonable. You don't get an Oxbow Incident-ish crowd if you're making sense. The majority of my basketball posts deal with Yao because he's just a better basketball player than Steve or Cat. However, people don't jump on me because I know what Im talking about and it's evident in my posts.

2. I would agree with you except oftentimes, the Yao only fans are not polite. They continue to post worthless threads or make asinine comments that are prima facie stupid. They live in some alternate NBA universe where lateral quickness doesn't matter and only height is important.

3. I don't care if a person disagrees with me if they know what they're talking about. These people don't. The definition of a Yao only fan extends beyond Yao. They are Yao only basketball fans. Their perfunctory knowledge of basketball is annoying. You can't ignore it because of the volume.

It's like me talking about soccer because suddenly Hakeem joined the Senior Eurpoean Soccer League. If Ive never been a soccer fan in my life, how the heck can I make cogent arguments?

Absurd.

 

Both statements are unacceptable in my book.

 

There is no Yao-only fan,

It is an unfair term coined by some members who still fail to understand that Steve and Cat dribbled too much (although i think they are improved under JVG and have supported them) and fail to use Yao to the fullest extent in JVG's system. These members label many many other members who are only pointing out the obvious (and as noted by many sportswriters across the country ever since last season). The feel that anyone with a slight againt francis or cat must only be a Yao only fan...

so i ask, who started the hating and segregation of this site first? As JAG has said, who cares if the case may be that there are people who liked the rockets because of Yao? It doesn't make them any less of a fan...It makes Houston bigger and puts us on the map

 

Politely is my middle name. I know he wasnt refering to me.